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[The96er]

MAG has tried to persuade carriers to relocate but they won't

BA, along with American have requested a move to T2, but the airport were unwilling to provide domestic arrival facilities for BA.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Thanks The96er, that's very interesting. It will be useful to note whether this can be facilitated as the TP starts to take shape. Once US PDC is established, MAG will want AAL at T2 anyway. Can the Shuttle be accommodated in some way also?

[Dobbo_Dobbo]

It would be good if BA and AA moved to T2 - which I feel they are almost certain to do at some point.

The U.S. Pre clearance facility could be very busy with TCX, AA, UA and in particular VS/DL's plans for US routes from MAN.

Although not currently planned, I think there might be a need for that fourth finger pier.

[Sholto Douglas]

I I believe Pier 4 is in the plans but was just not included in the 'fly through' video.

[LAX_LHR]

As far as I'm aware, the new T2 is to have a domestic exit point, and the plan is that all barring Ryanair and flybe will be using T2 in the future.

T3 is going to be the same equivalent as CPH-go, the low cost terminal with an airside link for flybe/long haul carrier transfers.

[Ametyst1]

I will not use Manchester if my flight involves departing from Terminal 3. Too many bad experiences.

I would be back to using Manchester again if BA moved to Terminal 2.

On another note, a friend of mine missed his Jet2 flight to Barcelona from Terminal 1 this morning. He checked in on time and dropped his baggage off which was tagged and accepted. Then he went to security and it took so long to get through he missed his flight!

[chaps1954]

I have never ever had a problem at T3

Ian

[j636]

BA, along with American have requested a move to T2, but the airport were unwilling to provide domestic arrival facilities for BA.

What sort of works would be required to give BA what they want and cost wise would it be big.

[rutankrd]

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What sort of works would be required to give BA what they want and cost wise would it be big.

The terminal was devised in era when people actually put their luggage in the hold where its meant to be !

So no stupid mile deep security areas were ever envisaged !

The design was such as to reduce kerb/aircraft paths to a minimum, with customs/immigration on separate floor for ease of flow.

The idea of common airside for domestic/international was largely pie in sky (it exists today for commercial/shopping however does result in the so called need for uptime further security checks downline)

This terminal as is needs an extensive rethink to even come close to current security demands and it ain't simply in the floor space.

Adding further domestic channels and requisite sterile paths makes it even more difficult to meet Home Office/DFT standards.

Pretty much the same can be said in reverse for T3 a primarily domestic terminal forced into multi use for commercial reasons.

If people, airports and indeed so called security experts really was to tackle the queues and especially after the Brussels incident recently we need to force passengers to once again have their luggage (ALL apart for a hand bag/Laptop)
checked and screened and placed in the hold period.

This would return some sense of normality to the departing experience .

[mickyman]

Ametyst1

Your a very unlucky dude - and so is your friend.

MM

[Ametyst1]

My friend isn't unlucky he is furious as it has cost him a further £262 to get to his final destination and he has been delayed 2 days.

I am not unlucky, I am a very frequent traveller who will only put up with a bad experience for so long. So, if more suitable alternatives come along then I will use them.

I don't mind arriving into Terminal 3, so I quite fly out of Liverpool, Birmingham or Heathrow and fly back into Manchester dependent on my business needs.

For instance, in July, I am flying out of Heathrow to Frankfurt (mainly because of ridiculously high Lufthansa fares from Manchester) and then back from Hamburg to Manchester.

[rkenyon]

Ametyst1 - it's very simple to miss a flight, even if you check in on time. If your friend checked-in 40 minutes before his flight, and then was stuck in security for 20 minutes (nothing unusual about that), then the chances are he'd miss the flight.

Nothing unique to Manchester about this.

[pwalhx]

As a frequent traveller through Manchester I find it strange your friend missed his flight because of security. On several recent occasions when I have queued there has been people going down the lines calling out flights due to depart and moving people to the front of the queue to ensure they get through in time.

Also a 2 day delay for a destination with many departures, sounds strange.

[chaps1954]

Ametyst doesn`t like Manchester we know because every post is anti


Ian

[philbky]

rutankrd if you or anyone else thinks my £5000+ worth of camera gear which fits neatly into a backpack weighing 6.8 kilos and has travelled all over the world with me is going into any aircraft hold, you have another think coming. The hold IS the place for luggage but a combination of loaders who sling bags into containers, and in any order, and ever increasing hold luggage charges ensure that only my suitcase goes under the floor.

In case anyone thinks I'm attacking MAN, I have been a supporter of the airport for over 60 years and served on committees which helped promote the airport in the days of Gordon Sweetapple and Gil Thompson, both of whom I knew well and would likely be delighted, as I am, to see the airport prospering but would be wringing their hands at the chaos the lack of development coupled with the increase in security have visited on the operation for which they fought so hard.

[Ametyst1]

rkenyon

It is quite simple he was in the security queue for 45 minutes, and he had a connecting onto South America not staying in Barcelona

[eggc]

There is always a case for hold luggage, like your scenario, but think the point being made was it's far more wide spread now than it ever was due to extra charges for hold luggage, and ease and cost of short breaks...which has cabin luggage capacities at breaking point, all of which has to travel through terminal security.

[rutankrd]

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rutankrd if you or anyone else thinks my £5000+ worth of camera gear which fits neatly into a backpack weighing 6.8 kilos and has travelled all over the world with me is going into any aircraft hold, you have another think coming. The hold IS the place for luggage but a combination of loaders who sling bags into containers, and in any order, and ever increasing hold luggage charges ensure that only my suitcase goes under the floor.

Actually i quite understand with your concern especially with specialist equipment such as camera/video/audio equipment.

As for charges well I think they should actually be reversed !

A set weight in hold included in ticket price by legislation however additional carryon (Your camera equipment for instance) charged and insured for after all thats has a real cost in time and processing and hand searching through security !

As for your comments re the elder statesmen that ensured Ringways success think we agree on that.

The last seven years or so haven't been the best for resilient development strategies , yet heavier and heavier government enforced must be seen to be doing something security requirements have seriously effected the structural operations of many airport buildings.

Such as multiple screening even of domestic and EU traffic , segregation of arriving and departing passengers.

IMO Those requirements and the necessary structural changes should have been paid for out of taxation (ADP) at the dedicated airports !

What do you think ?

Really hope that TP gets underway soon.

[Ametyst1]

Chaps

I do like Manchester. I don't like incompetence caused by under investment or bad management.

Manchester used to be a World Class Airport and it should be again. It is a shame we have to wait 10 years to see any substantial improvement.

[wools]

Old adage, "leave time for the unexpected when about to fly"


It is quite simple he was in the security queue for 45 minutes, and he had a connecting onto South America not staying in Barcelona[/QUOTE]