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Old 4th Dec 2015, 09:21
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Hearing whispers of DHL coming back around April now
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 09:54
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Fingers crossed. That would be welcome news indeed. For some of us! Unless they tease us with another succession of missed launch-dates and false starts.
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 13:58
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DHL starting "full service" in April would make much more sense.

Is it the case that this was just an additional service to test the route,bed in systems and of course assist with a Christmas overrun ? Let's hope so!
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 14:57
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The business focus at MAN is all about passenger flights and supporting bellyhold cargo on these. Dedicated cargo flights sometimes appear to be tolerated rather than encouraged at MAN.
And it has always has been that way

The next big milestone to watch for will be the announcement concerning final route plans for CargoLogicAir, the newly-established UK subsidiary of Air Bridge Cargo (Russia). They revealed tentative plans to launch B744F and later B748F schedules from MAN to the USA by the end of 2015. Their first aircraft is ready and crew training is in progress. But this presents a really interesting conundrum. It is an open secret that this is exactly the sort of operation that MAG are desperate to attract to their expanded cargo facility at STN. And the gentleman responsible for making a success of that STN investment and his counterpart responsible for marketing cargo at MAN share a very interesting relationship indeed. Because they are actually one and the same bloke! So what has been the marketing proposal put in front of CargoLogicAir by MAG? Hold on to your hats ... it shouldn't be long till we find out!
I have heard a story in the last few days that the CargoLogicAir operation will be at STN and not MAN. As you say we should hear for certain soon. Their aircraft seems to be based at STN at present and hasn't showed up on any sort of training mission at MAN - yet. But maybe this is all a bluff...
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 10:26
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Thanks for the update, Suzeman. Doesn't sound hopeful.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 14:54
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MAN took at least one diversion today (AA 752 from PHL-DUB) and it didn't get a mention? Come on guys
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 15:02
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Had 5 diversions in last 24 hours including a medevac learjet (even Mcr wouldn't dare turn that away...)
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 08:14
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American to use the B787 on the ORD-MAN route next summer. Exact start date to be confirmed but was partly announced at a trade dinner in Dublin.
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 09:32
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American to use the B787 on the ORD-MAN route next summer. Exact start date to be confirmed but was partly announced at a trade dinner in Dublin.
Good news! Will JFK remain being on a B767?
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 10:12
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The B767 will remain on the JFK.

It's hoped that the B787 will remain on the ORD run year round, as the economics of the aircraft are better than the B767 but there are times, including no less than 5 dates already this winter, the B757 isn't adequate enough.
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 10:20
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Suzeman

If as you say the Cargologic 747 has indeed appeared at STN is this not a real worry ?

Do you feel this because of a commercial decision by the operator Volga Denepra ?

It just seems very odd as industry media suggested opening new routes direct to importers /exporters in the
N West !

I say this as obviously with STN being MAG owned the benefits of a 747 operation to MAG as a company are transparent whether it operates from STN MAN EMA or BOH ... you might argue they are not bothered!

BUT if you are a freight forwarder in Manchester surely you are very much bothered !!!
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 10:39
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Isn`t their UK operation head office at Stansted, I have thought it very
unlikely to start at MAN and not have flights from where there base is

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Old 6th Dec 2015, 11:36
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Had they they gone straight to STN one could have understood that. But freight media suggested a Manchester base ?
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Bagso View Post
Suzeman

If as you say the Cargologic 747 has indeed appeared at STN is this not a real worry ?

Do you feel this because of a commercial decision by the operator Volga Denepra ?

It just seems very odd as industry media suggested opening new routes direct to importers /exporters in the
N West !

I say this as obviously with STN being MAG owned the benefits of a 747 operation to MAG as a company are transparent whether it operates from STN MAN EMA or BOH ... you might argue they are not bothered!

BUT if you are a freight forwarder in Manchester surely you are very much bothered !!!
IF it is true that Cargologicair is to be based at STN, I'm sure that the decision will have been made by the operator after discussing things with MAG and who knows what the deal is. But see Shed's excellent post 3760 of 4th December for a possible explanation. I'm sure MAG will have a strategy for freight and as you say, the Group gets the business wherever they go, so it may suit them to have it operate from STN for a number of reasons.

Cargologicair haven't as far as I know, ever said where they were going to operate from - it was just speculation by the media possibly based on some inside gen at the time.

I'm sure freight forwarders in the NW won't be too bothered - to use these services, they'll just deliver their freight to one of the transit shed operators at MAN who will consolidate it to get a good rate and truck it down to STN. Just like a considerable volume of freight does now. Adds a bit of time to the transit but that isn't a major consideration most of the time nowadays. And if it's wanted quickly, you have the integrators at EMA.

A study some while ago suggested that the volume of air freight passing through the airport's transit sheds was half as much again as that which actually flew in and out of MAN, the remainder being trucked in and out and never going near an aircraft at MAN. Add to that as well unknown volumes that were going past the door on trucks to be consolidated elsewhere and there's a large amount of airfreight to and from the North of England.

And lots of options available to Northern shippers too about how to send it depending on time and importantly cost. Plenty of belly-hold options from MAN already and more to come, with trucking a viable and cost effective option for other types of freight.

Isn`t their UK operation head office at Stansted, I have thought it very unlikely to start at MAN and not have flights from where there base is
Pelican were based at MAN but after a handful of flights upped sticks to guess where - STN - but their head office remained at MAN for quite a while. But then that was a long long time ago...
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 17:04
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...ah Pelican, lasted a few weeks longer than Air Transcontinental with its proposed 707 base (ex Trans Asia Airlines?)
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 19:08
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American to use the B787 on the ORD-MAN route next summer.

I take it this will mean the end of the AA210/211 and AA054/055 planes "flipping" more days than not due to the fact that they'll be a 767 & 787 respectively?
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 19:34
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Pelican

Is it my grey cells playing up or did Pelican not actually relocate to Gatwick rather than Stansted as an operational base?

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Old 6th Dec 2015, 19:57
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Mancmoose

Yes the flights will be re-timed slightly to account for the the aircraft heading back to the base they originated, rather than flipping over at MAN.
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 23:50
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Huge shout out to AA for giving MAN some proper TLC in terms of hard product at last.
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Old 7th Dec 2015, 06:06
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Huge shout out to AA for giving MAN some proper TLC in terms of hard product at last.
Nothing confirmed yet but i see DUB-ORD gets upgraded to a 777.
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