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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 06:29
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By range what sort of destinations could Norwegian serve on a direct basis with the 737max ?
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 07:37
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The Groups half yearly results are out with an increased dividend forvthe shareholders http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/mag-boosted-by-record-passengers-and-new-routes
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 11:46
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The article suggests that the passenger numbers have been boosted by new long haul flights from MAN to BOS + LAX amongst others, but these flights don't begin until next year if I'm not mistaken; so how can they count towards this years figures? Is this sloppy journalism at it's best again?
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 12:40
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Amazon to create 1,500 jobs by opening huge warehouse at Airport City - Manchester Evening News

Not quite on the scale of the mega warehouse operations near Warrington but good news nonetheless re parcel operations.

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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 13:16
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Should help boost cargo nicely

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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 13:17
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A lengthy article from CAPA, which refers to the proposed MAN routes, the competition between Air China and Hainan, and the 1 airline 1 route policy for China.

Air China's long haul Shanghai expansion targets Hainan Airlines, leaves China Eastern uncomfortable | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 14:15
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Amazon

This development, together with the news that they are to build a 1.3 million sq.ft. hub close to East Midlands (which I believe will become their largest UK fulfilment centre) and news of similar projects at/near airports in the States, perhaps adds more weight to the rumour that Amazon are about to launch their own in-house airline/overnight cargo operation to compete with UPS, DHL etc.
An announcement is supposedly due in 2016.


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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 14:19
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Not quite on the scale of the mega warehouse operations near Warrington but good news nonetheless re parcel operations.
It says 654,000 sq.ft. In the dim and distant past, the offices and factory where I worked occupied 72,000 sq.ft and that was a fair size. This is 9 times that so pretty big it seems to me. In new money, is that about 65,000 sq.metres or 650m x 100m for example for a single storey?

I wonder where they will distribute to from there plus inwards goods, and how much will be by air.
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 15:01
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Further to coverage of MAG's excellent financial results in today's MEN, noted that a couple of the stats on the infographic "The airport's success in numbers" appear to be incorrect.

Specifically:52856 Tonnes of cargo handled every year

and: 92257 passenger flights every year

I suspect that these are the correct figures for the period 01.04.2015 to 30.09.2015 which is the theme of the infographic, but the choice of phraseology is unfortunate.

Actual cargo handled in the year to 30.09.2015 was 101167 Tonnes.

Movements for the same period totalled 171934. Some 9103 of these were categorised as private / miscellaneous leaving a residual 162831 movements. MAN's relatively small number of freighters may still be counted within this number, but clearly most of these are passenger flights.

Maybe the infographic needs to clarify that these listed totals are for the summer season only, not for the whole year. Otherwise the true achievement is being undersold to the media. Nice results though.
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 16:06
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Shed, some of the reporting of the financial results has been pretty dire.

We had Insider Media crediting some of the increase in pax to new routes to BOS & LAX which don't start until next year. Travel News highlighted Stansted gains in their article and the Escape Lounges, plus a brief mention of East Midlands and Bournemouth airports, but somehow forgot MAN.

It doesn't surprise me if there's confusion over the figures you refer to as well.

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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 17:33
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Whilst MAG are not cupable for the reporting it does seem a bit of a dogs breakfast!

What is odd is the way each airport seems to have taken it upon itself to report in a fragmented way it's own message unless that it is simply the fault of the media cherry picking certain aspects of the results ?

For MEN read one spokesperson and for Stansted read another.

MAG is surely one large happy family. At a corporate level no different to Asda, Boots etc should the CEO not deliver one message on behalf of the whole group !

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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 20:22
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I hear that DHL will be ceasing MAN ops in the next few weeks
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 20:37
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If so that came and went quickly again, did they really start a route on that thin ground that they pull it after what is it, ten weeks?
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 20:49
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Last flight will be 24th December.

They started on 5th November so not even given it 2 months.

Makes you wonder what the point was, given the cost of set up and all.
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 21:29
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Just a thought, but if Amazon are setting up there own operation is it possible DHL see little future in a Manchester base?

Something dramatically wrong here!
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 22:50
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I hear that DHL will be ceasing MAN ops in the next few weeks
The temptation to send a couple of trucks an hour down the road to the EMA UK superhub is just too alluring. That's why they missed a year of proposed start-dates in the first place. Unfortunately, the parcels from the MAN warehouse don't care whether they're trucked one hour to the EMA-LEJ flight or stuck on a B75F at MAN. The Airport City warehouse still functions as planned in either scenario. Very disappointing news though. Token effort only.

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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 23:09
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Strange though, as Lax says there's a big cost involved in setting up a new route. I find it odd that they would set it up and then two months later cancel it, I understand the logic of putting it on lorries but then why start it in the first place? Did their ops department really get the demand that wrong.
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 23:52
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why start it in the first place? Did their ops department really get the demand that wrong.
Have we considered the possibility that launching / attempting a direct service from MAN may have been part of the original deal with MAG / Airport City? Such things can be included in deals which contain certain guarantees in return for concessions on charges.

Having said that, I have no idea what specific contractual terms were agreed between MAG and DHL in this particular case. I'm just pointing out that certain specified commitments from both parties are commonplace in deals of this sort.

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Old 4th Dec 2015, 06:10
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The market IS there.

This isn't like a new passenger route. It's fully transferable.

If they had never started in the 1st place one could understand it but to start and then finish in such a short space of time is madness.

That said maybe they were given free charges as it would suited have suited MAG to get some headline business for the 1st customer to airport city South. Until yesterday's news its not exactly racing ahead is it ?

I'm this instance however it makes a nonsense of paying what must surely be a premium to have the warehouse house located next to Manchester Airport. If you are simply trucking it to EMA why not set up in say a much chesper area ?

Not exactly great for the environment either if you are still wearing a loincloth!

It begs tge question what is the point of having a facility like this here ?
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 08:39
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The market IS there.
(For DHL).

Yes, indeed it is.

But unfortunately, we need to think this through from a corporate perspective, not that of a MAN wellwisher. We can be sure that as launch customer of Airport City South (Logistics) DHL will have secured an excellent deal from MAG. They get a state-of-the-art warehouse in the heart of what is planned to evolve as a highly sought-after business hub perfectly positioned for parcel delivery and drop-off throughout the Greater Manchester area. They're close to a motorway junction, 90 mins or so by road from their UK hub at EMA, on the spot at the North's busiest airport complex and adjacent to a proposed HS2 station. All of which will attract still more business.

And from MAG's point of view? This flight withdrawal may be slightly embarrassing but it will not be seen as a major blow by them. DHL is a key business partner at MAG sister-airport EMA. Which has a dedicated DHL superhub and its own apron with lots of aircraft parking space. A B75F which daystops at MAN occupying a scarce stand all year round could be seen as something of a mixed blessing by MAN. We all know that parking space is a bit tight up here.

Is this embarrassing for MAG's Business Development Manager - Cargo? Slightly, maybe. But his remit is to build up business for the whole group. That means MAN and EMA. He is responsible for both. This will worry him about as much as a late stand change. It is a minor inhouse administrative wrinkle with the unanticipated but welcome bonus of freeing up a valuable parking stand at MAN. All the DHL business represented remains within the MAG sphere of operation regardless.

Of course, the Business Development Manager - Cargo isn't even based at MAN. Or at EMA for that matter. He is actually based at STN. Where additional cargo handling facilities and new stands are under construction as MAG positions STN as a specialist in the SE freight sector. If you're 'Conan the Cargoman', your top priority is to drive further general freight business through that new STN infrastructure diversifying that airport's dependence away from Ryanair. And keeping the overnight package business humming at EMA is crucial also. Cargo at MAN and BOH is a bit peripheral from a MAG perspective. The business focus at MAN is all about passenger flights and supporting bellyhold cargo on these. Dedicated cargo flights sometimes appear to be tolerated rather than encouraged at MAN. Meanwhile, the recent loss of the most important freight contract at BOH is a crippling blow for that airport, especially in view of the FlyBe base closure there announced just days later.

The next big milestone to watch for will be the announcement concerning final route plans for CargoLogicAir, the newly-established UK subsidiary of Air Bridge Cargo (Russia). They revealed tentative plans to launch B744F and later B748F schedules from MAN to the USA by the end of 2015. Their first aircraft is ready and crew training is in progress. But this presents a really interesting conundrum. It is an open secret that this is exactly the sort of operation that MAG are desperate to attract to their expanded cargo facility at STN. And the gentleman responsible for making a success of that STN investment and his counterpart responsible for marketing cargo at MAN share a very interesting relationship indeed. Because they are actually one and the same bloke! So what has been the marketing proposal put in front of CargoLogicAir by MAG? Hold on to your hats ... it shouldn't be long till we find out!

Just a thought ... with the whole 'Northern Powerhouse' thing building momentum, maybe having the same guy marketing freight ops at MAN, STN, EMA and BOH isn't the greatest solution for the project. Quite the conflict of interest. But I'm sure we can all understand why it makes sense from an inhouse MAG perspective as opposed to a Northern regional one. Let's watch this space. The next few months could get quite interesting.
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