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If an aircraft was holding because of weather at say Liverpool or Leeds but could not divert to Manchester due the "No Diversion" Notam, that would be thrown out the window by ATC as soon as the aircraft declared a fuel emergency. It would not then fly up to say Edinburgh. It would land at Manchester.
Does MAN (or any other airport) want this kind of publicity for the sake of a few hundred extra pounds in net revenue?
If MAN has a 'No Diversions' NOTAM in force then no flight would be filing MAN as an Alternate and hence not holding overhead whilst trying to find another airport willing to take them
Note that in the scenario outlined above - that which we encounter when fog blankets a large number of UK airports simultaneously - safety is absolutely paramount. What is actually worse: sitting on a remote stand fretting because a handling agent says they can't service your aircraft for two hours, or airborne holding indefinitely with your fuel reserves diminishing whilst a series of airports advise that they won't accept your flight? And remember the ATC safety angle too: whilst all these aircraft are being refused by airports, more flights are pitching up all the time and joining the hold. These aircraft need to be removed from the system ASAP to avoid the risk of ATC overloads. An ATC sector overload is a far bigger safety issue than a ground-handling delay.
Moving on to new ground, I reviewed MAN's daily movements late last night. Almost the entire FlyBe programme was cancelled, as were many KLM and BA flights plus afew others. Most of these were cancelled hours ahead of time. Which begs the question: what happened to the handling agents rostered to service those particular flights? Were they actually available for reassignment to alternative duties? Such as handling diverted flights?
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Milan 6 x weekly with non-based a/c and CDG 9 x weekly with a based a/c.
The early departures to Paris on Monday & Friday now make up the 11 based on those days.
Olbia 2 x weekly in the afternoon with a based a/c
With an extra 17 weekly departures, that's about a further 8 or 9% increase on what was already a decent increase due to added frequencies.
The early departures to Paris on Monday & Friday now make up the 11 based on those days.
Olbia 2 x weekly in the afternoon with a based a/c
With an extra 17 weekly departures, that's about a further 8 or 9% increase on what was already a decent increase due to added frequencies.
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I don't think these are the last routes we will see Easyjet add for next summer.
Carolyn McCall was directly quoted as saying they would be flying MAN-STR for starters.
While I applaud any new routes, its a shame the choices are already quite competitive.
CDG is already up to 8 daily next summer, the new Easyjet flights make it up to 10 daily. Slight overkill? (Then again, there are 25 daily flights to the BEneLUX area now).
Milan has Flybe and Ryanair at more than daily, and Olbia has Jet2 and a few charter flights.
Still waiting for a brave airline to try Seville, Santiago, Bucharest, Poznan etc.
Carolyn McCall was directly quoted as saying they would be flying MAN-STR for starters.
While I applaud any new routes, its a shame the choices are already quite competitive.
CDG is already up to 8 daily next summer, the new Easyjet flights make it up to 10 daily. Slight overkill? (Then again, there are 25 daily flights to the BEneLUX area now).
Milan has Flybe and Ryanair at more than daily, and Olbia has Jet2 and a few charter flights.
Still waiting for a brave airline to try Seville, Santiago, Bucharest, Poznan etc.
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I can see Flybe giving up on MXP to be honest and using the aircraft elsewhwere.
I said earlier there were potentially 11 gaps to fill for EZY. I didn't think they would fill them all though. If they add anymore routes it will have to be non base aircraft or add another based one as there are no more gaps with the 11 based.
I said earlier there were potentially 11 gaps to fill for EZY. I didn't think they would fill them all though. If they add anymore routes it will have to be non base aircraft or add another based one as there are no more gaps with the 11 based.
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I think there are 2 early morning departure slots to fill on Sundays
Difficult to see how they could fill those 2 Sunday morning slots unless there are still some gaps later on Sunday for a second wave (unless a/c were doing a W pattern), and on other days if frequencies were more than once weekly. (but could be non-based a/c on those other days).
Each aircraft type of course burns fuel at different rates, but an average figure is for every extra tonne carried, 250 kgs will be burned carrying it, so quite expensive for aircraft to carry enough fuel to hold and do multiple approaches into airports in different countries.
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I need to look again at the Easy timetable.
As I said above I thought there were potentially 11 gaps which could be filled with flights but that included the two Sunday morning ones. EZY have added 11 based flights so have found two gaps which I hadn't. More particularly there is a problem with Monday in that insufficient planes have returned from the first wave to do the second and also again the third. It maybe they have retimed flights which I haven't spotted yet.
I know LAX thinks there may be more to come but enough for another (third) based aircraft? I think that might be a little too much.
As I said above I thought there were potentially 11 gaps which could be filled with flights but that included the two Sunday morning ones. EZY have added 11 based flights so have found two gaps which I hadn't. More particularly there is a problem with Monday in that insufficient planes have returned from the first wave to do the second and also again the third. It maybe they have retimed flights which I haven't spotted yet.
I know LAX thinks there may be more to come but enough for another (third) based aircraft? I think that might be a little too much.
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CDG, MXP and OLB just bookable form June-September
CDG & MXP should have the potential to be year-round!?
CDG & MXP should have the potential to be year-round!?
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viscount702, do you have a complex spreadsheet to plot all the flights. I only get as far as seeing what's in the first wave of departures - and even then I get it wrong!
Yes I do but I also get it wrong.
Monday is OK now. I had duplicated a flight.
I haven't finished going through everything yet apart from Sunday where there are two gaps there look to be a few more as well now.