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You need to read things with a global mind set and remove the blinkers. China major cities does not stop at the airports at PEK, PVG, HKG. When I fly to China from KUL, I will normally go direct to HGH, SZX, CAN, XMN, WUH depending on where I am going. It is quite obvious that the LHR guy is talking about these major cities. I also point out to you that his competitors are already flying to a lot of these cities. So why shouldn't he use these facts to get R3 approved, I would hope that if you were in his position you would use the same arguments.
MAN needs to forget about battles with LHR, BHX, LPL etc. It is doing well, except where single engined planes are concerned. The terminal situation concerns me, you hit max capacity when you have to reduce capacity due to building work!!!!
MAN needs to forget about battles with LHR, BHX, LPL etc. It is doing well, except where single engined planes are concerned. The terminal situation concerns me, you hit max capacity when you have to reduce capacity due to building work!!!!
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What capacity has Air France cut? It still 3 daily with A321/A320 listed?
Swiss will be 2 daily F100 Zurich next summer as they were this summer
But, enjoy the half full glass, it's a nice treat!
When do you expect EasyJet to show their hand?
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HGH, SZX, CAN, XMN, WUH
So why shouldn't he use these facts to get R3 approved
The terminal situation concerns me, you hit max capacity when you have to reduce capacity due to building work!!!!
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Shed, I think you confused LHR and BA in your first reply to me.
Terminal reply, I hope you are right, but the extra real estate you are talking about will not keep up with required growth. By the time the project is finished the airport may be over 35m pax, but space restricted. I believe it is tight now.
Terminal reply, I hope you are right, but the extra real estate you are talking about will not keep up with required growth. By the time the project is finished the airport may be over 35m pax, but space restricted. I believe it is tight now.
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Frank, can I quote you some words from Hainan that state "Shenzen, Xa'in, Chongqing and Wuhan as possible links from Manchester".
They the cities you mean that can never be served from anywhere but LHR ?
Slighly related, Hainan are currently busy setting up a UK HQ, at MAN.
They the cities you mean that can never be served from anywhere but LHR ?
Slighly related, Hainan are currently busy setting up a UK HQ, at MAN.
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When do you expect EasyJet to show their hand?
11 based a/c seem to be required on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday,
10 on Monday and Friday, 9 on Wednesday and I could only see 8 on Sunday. Unless a/c are being moved between bases, it does leave 7 slots for an 11 based fleet and that is without checking the second or third waves or flights with non-based a/c.
Of course, I can't guarantee these figures are correct despite rechecking, and it's possible schedules may still be juggled around I suppose.
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11 on Tuesday, Wednesday.Thursday(from 30/6) and Saturday.
10 on Monday and Friday but 11 for second wave.
9 on Sunday but 10 for second wave.
I can potentially see 11 gaps for more flights but clearly not all will be filled as some may be a bit short time wise.
There are some time changes and flights being added from mid June.
The only non based flights at present are to Belfast
11 on Tuesday, Wednesday.Thursday(from 30/6) and Saturday.
10 on Monday and Friday but 11 for second wave.
9 on Sunday but 10 for second wave.
I can potentially see 11 gaps for more flights but clearly not all will be filled as some may be a bit short time wise.
There are some time changes and flights being added from mid June.
The only non based flights at present are to Belfast
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Thanks Viscount 702. It seems I missed 1 on Sunday and 2 on Wednesday somehow, unless you are looking at something different to the web site schedules. So, only 4 gaps on the first wave then, which suggests limited scope for new routes unless served by non-based a/c.
Was BFS also the only route served with non-based a/c in 2015? I had a feeling GVA was at some stage but maybe not this year.
Was BFS also the only route served with non-based a/c in 2015? I had a feeling GVA was at some stage but maybe not this year.
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This actually isn't the true situation. The first phase of the TP is a massive new-build extension of T2 out to the West and onto 'Staff Wales' Car Park. Only when this terminal capacity comes online will there be a need to withdraw (much smaller) chunks of the existing complex section by section. Note that the TP increases T2 passenger capacity by 140%, so don't underestimate the scale of new-build involved in the extension to the West.
I hope you're right as well SHED. My reading of the (admittedly limited) designs released to date is that whilst there is an extension to the current 'core' terminal building to the west and north, the largest element of the capacity increase will be the addition of the new piers. Certainly as the work is undertaken to add the middle and eastern piers - which looks like a new airside frontage being required too - capacity will drop, potentially by some margin.
Don't forget that it is not just space for passengers affected by the work but for aircraft too. Most of the midfield remote stands will be impacted by this work and I suspect that Pier C of Terminal 1 will have to go before the eastern pier of T2 can be built.
I would be interested in views on which carriers will go where in the post expansion world. Whilst alot depends on how Pier B is integrated into the T2 layout I can't see how, for instance, T3 and Pier B alone could accommodate EZY, RYR, LS and BEE, yet I don't see there being space for them at T2 either?
Some PRG sectors are also operated by non based aircraft in recent summers.
Post expansion: The main reason EZY prefer pier B is due to terminal layout. B pier generally allows pre-boarding where as C pier doesn't due to arrivals channel having to be crossed to enter the airbridge. This was never an issue in T3.
Post expansion: The main reason EZY prefer pier B is due to terminal layout. B pier generally allows pre-boarding where as C pier doesn't due to arrivals channel having to be crossed to enter the airbridge. This was never an issue in T3.
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Shed, I think you confused LHR and BA in your first reply to me.
the extra real estate you are talking about will not keep up with required growth. By the time the project is finished the airport may be over 35m pax, but space restricted.
the largest element of the capacity increase will be the addition of the new piers.
I would be interested in views on which carriers will go where in the post expansion world.
By the way, thanks to all who have addressed my query regarding EasyJet's programme.
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But keep in mind that the very large T2 extension to the West uses the piers model also. MAG's plans call for these to be brought on stream to accommodate existing demand before (smaller) older sections of the complex are withdrawn for development in sequence
Also, you do keeping repeating about the 'very large extension' to T2 as though this will make everything ok. To put things in perspective, whilst a 140% expansion is an impressive figure you have to bear in mind the starting point, i.e. 140% of what. Believe it or not the core 'terminal' part of T2 (i.e. excluding the gate area along the front) is only a couple of thousand square metres larger than Liverpool's terminal in terms of footprint.
Apart from the obvious, determined by the location of US pre-clearance facilities for example, it isn't advisable to micro-manage airline terminal distribution so far ahead.
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T2 expansion.
I easily get confused so can Shed or Andy clarify a couple of points please?
Does 140% increase in pax capacity for T2 mean that when it's complete it can handle 2.4 times the present capacity or 1.4 times?
Will only the extended T2 building provide the additional parking gates (i.e. contact stands) or will there be extra remote stands on space beyond where the new structure finishes?
I easily get confused so can Shed or Andy clarify a couple of points please?
Does 140% increase in pax capacity for T2 mean that when it's complete it can handle 2.4 times the present capacity or 1.4 times?
Will only the extended T2 building provide the additional parking gates (i.e. contact stands) or will there be extra remote stands on space beyond where the new structure finishes?
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As the work is undertaken to add those piers, there will be a significant drop in apron and gate capacity for the duration of those works.
you do keeping repeating about the 'very large extension' to T2 as though this will make everything ok.
All interested parties accept that some operational disruption is inevitable. But MAG has no plans to close such a large portion of terminal in one go that the entire operation will be jeopardised. That would make no sense.
I would have thought that having a vague clue whether the redesigned facilities can actually accommodate their customers effectively would be essential
I suspect if MAG turned round to Ryanair or Easyjet and said "we'll think about where you're going nearer the time", the response would be unprintable...
By the way, don't think in terms of MAN's current three-terminal layout. The completed project will consist of two large terminals with full connectivity airside. Passengers will have airside access from the easternmost gate on what we today call T3 to the westernmost gate on the complex currently known as T2. This will allow for far greater flexibility in the parking of aircraft and should reduce the need to rely on remotes.
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Does 140% increase in pax capacity for T2 mean that when it's complete it can handle 2.4 times the present capacity or 1.4 times?
will there be extra remote stands on space beyond where the new structure finishes?