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Old 8th Oct 2015, 20:22
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Nantes

Same frequency as Liverpool ie twice a week? Implication is that Liverpool gains a replacement, twice per week additional Paris would be good.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 20:45
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I did read Nantes was not bookable from LPL from next year, but as far as I can see it is, but saying that its not yet bookable from MAN, so changes may follow...

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Old 8th Oct 2015, 21:07
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I did read Nantes was not bookable from LPL from next year, but as far as I can see it is, but saying that its not yet bookable from MAN, so changes may follow...
Suspect it's not yet bookable as the route only operates July - September and EZY has only released flights to the end of June?
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 21:46
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Other major airports have exactly the same issues surrounding the timing of infrastructure investment and do not have outmoded and decrepit terminals
MAG know that they have issues to resolve at Manchester Airport. That is what the redevelopment plan is all about. But whilst their facilities are not the best out there they're very far from the worst. Holding for gates is common at many airports including some prestigious names. And at many of those you end up on a remote stand for bussing more often than not.

Nobody is pretending that MAN is a state-of-the-art 'Nirvana'. But some seem keen to portray the place as far worse than it actually is.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 22:09
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Just worked out, out of interest, how many aircraft (commercial only) will be on the ground at MAN at 0500 in the morning....I get it to 82 !

I think there are 90 odd stands, and some of them can't be used at the same time depending on a/c size...so you could say its bursting at the seams at 0500.

51 depart between 0600 and 0755, so it soon eases, but it does highlights the extent of the early morning problem, and why it may cause issue if you arrive early.

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Old 8th Oct 2015, 22:24
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It's actually in the 90's at the moment EGGC, let alone next summer.

Jet2 currently have 15 but look to be 17 next summer
Thomas Cook currently have 11 but look to be 13 next summer
Easyjet currently at 9 but at least 11 next summer
Ryanair at 7 but at least 8 next summer
Condor at 1 but will be 2 based from end of this October
Thomson at 15 and look to be 15 next summer
FedEx at 2 and still 2 next summer
DHL will be 1 from end of October
Flybe at 9 based, not sure on next summer
Monarch currently at 9 based
Virgin at 3 based but will go back to at least 4 next summer
Small planet, Germania and Enter Air all at 1 each
Air Bridge will be 1 based from end of November

The night stoppers are 1 BA, 1 SN, 1 KLM and 2 LH
That's currently 119 based for winter and N/S, with that figure rising to 125 next summer so far. Obviously some aircraft do night flights, and the Virgin Aircraft don't occupy stands overnight, but, that's a lot of based aircraft to house!
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 22:30
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Does anyone yet know how many stands there will be when the terminal developments are completed.

I suspect not many more than now with the loss of Pier C and part of A.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 22:39
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I cannot see there not being more, and hopefully considerably more...just look at the number of based units mentioned now...spend all that money on a new layout with the same amount of gates and your limiting growth for more based units for decades to come. Surely if we can see that MAG can and it will reflect in the design.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 23:44
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Given the scale of the project, the planning required and the need for the airport to remain fully operational throughout, why is this timescale 'a complete joke?'

1) Started 10 years too late.
2) Growth will be restricted.
3) Start digging when airport hits max capacity
4) Forget based aircraft.

"If you feel that you could organise the job better - you are clearly an expert to pass such a judgment - please contact MAG with your recommendations."

Sadly, the clock can not be set back. The boat sailed and they missed it.
Welcome to Heathrow! The third rwy is 40 years too late and hasn't been started yet.....at least MAN-2's redevelopment WILL definitely happen.

Heathrow has had 3 terminals built since they were so
called full and T2 has shown how it can be done in stages.
Of course it can be done in stages, it's not an issue. Many airports have done this.

Long haul having to wait for gates? Appalling. Great news for Dublin.
Welcome to Heathrow again! Although it is for a different reason: at LHR departing aircraft cannot leave the stand when the queue to take off is too long and overflowing, which is most of the day, consequently arriving aircraft are kept waiting. Unbelievable but true.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 00:21
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Long haul having to wait for gates? Appalling. Great news for Dublin.
It's a non issue and if aircraft are regularly arriving ahead of schedule then it's time airlines adjust schedules accordingly. It happen's over here as well...
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 07:57
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Long haul having to wait for gates? Appalling. Great news for Dublin
Welcome to JFK, ATL ORD.....Happens all the time on longhaul that arrive early at congested airports.
I think my longest wait for a gate was 45 minutes at Chicago... and that was from Manchester.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 08:25
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Originally Posted by eggc View Post
I cannot see there not being more, and hopefully considerably more...just look at the number of based units mentioned now...spend all that money on a new layout with the same amount of gates and your limiting growth for more based units for decades to come. Surely if we can see that MAG can and it will reflect in the design.
From memory there are currently c.125 stands (mostly Code C). The sketches released so far for the new T2 don't suggest this number will increase. Given the number of Code D and E aircraft based, and if LAX's list for next Summer is anywhere near right, there are capacity issues looming.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 08:47
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"Sorry EZY / RYR / TCX (delete as applicable) you really can't base any more aircraft here, we're full" That isn't going to A) go down well or B) help MAN keep growing, but again MAG must know this...there must be a planned solution, surely.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 09:58
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They just expand by bringing flights in from other airports

Ryanair got over 70 bases around Europe so that could be 70 flights per day off peak. Without using Manchester based planes.

Same will go to the rest of the airlines that have bases else where.

Thomson could do for example

NCL-PMI-MAN-PMI-NCL.

You may find that the airport does ask the likes of thomsons and others to move aircraft to offer these kind of flights at a much less rate.
Very risky though
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 10:17
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There will be an increase of stands in the new development, but, many have expressed concern that despite an increase of stands, they will still not be enough based on current growth rates.

As said, we already have at least 10 new based aircraft next summer. (2 easy, 1 Ryanair, 1 DHL, 1 condor, 1 Air Bridge, 2 Jet2 and 2 Thomas Cook). I've not included VS given they had 4 based at the summer peak this year.

If that was to continue, the airport will struggle parking wise.

What needed is more off peak away based flights. Norwegian and Vueling are the key to that.

Or perhaps even based units with offset times?
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 11:14
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Air Canada rouge down to 5 weekly again next summer.

No flight Tue or Thu.

When LGW and GLA have seen quite substantial increases to their Canadian portfolio, Manchester was unable to keep up.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 11:25
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I also think Air Transat are reducing YYZ next year as well.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 12:41
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Or perhaps even based units with offset times?
The airport needs considerably more stands. An increase in contact stands is clearly needed but perhaps more importantly remote stands where aircraft can be parked for busing or just parking ie the Jet2 Static display.

Base units with offset times still requires the units to be parked up somewhere before they are moved to a contact stand.

Will there be any room between Runger Lane and to the west of the contact stands on the new western most pier to just park aircraft or will the position of that new pier mean that the stands to the west of that pier and the taxiway go right up to Runger Lane
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 12:46
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The airport's own Sustainable Development Plan puts the current number of stands at between 88 and 116, depending on the mix of aircraft using them. I am sure I read somewhere that the redeveloped airport will have 125 stands, but this is likely to accommodate considerable fewer aircraft than this as this figure is based on Code C aircraft (i.e. B737 / A320 size).


Remember too that during the construction work for any given phase a fair number of stands won't be available.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 15:29
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Looking at the posts regarding the extra based aircraft, Summer 2016 growth for the airport looks positive.


I had already posted on the Jet 2 thread that they currently have timetabled 25 extra departures per week (when compared to August 2015) with Ryanair, Easy Jet and Thomas Cook / Condor amongst others also showing growth.


Add to this the additional services that Vueling will operate next Summer (Alicante and Rome released for now, with extra Barcelona services) and with Iberia Express and Austrian not commencing until September this year, these should all add to the Peak Season increase.


Another factor to bear in mind is that we should not see the "Monarch effect" in Summer 2016 (a lot of growth in Summer 2015 was curtailed by the reduction in Monarch flights and passenger numbers) so all growth should read positive numbers.


I realise that there is still time for changes (both positive and negative) hopefully there will be more of the positive and Summer 2016 will be a memorable one for the Airport.
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