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Old 25th Sep 2015, 12:57
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Just because there's been no announcement doesn't mean that nothing is happening.
Absolutely right, you never know what is happening behind the scenes. It may well be that the main reason for the Chinese Premier's visit to Manchester is to re-announce the stuff that Osborne has already announced. Again an air service between an insignificant city in UK and Beijing may not warrant his mention (for a domestic Chinese audience).

And no, I'm not casting aspersions on Manchester as a city, just suggesting that on a global (and Chinese public's perception) scale it isn't that important. Neither are any other UK cities outside London.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 13:38
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And no, I'm not casting aspersions on Manchester as a city, just suggesting that on a global (and Chinese public's perception) scale it isn't that important. Neither are any other UK cities outside London.
As a general point that far too may people and businesses in the world still look upon the UK as London and little else, I tend to agree. However, judging by the level of interest reportedly shown, investments committed and some projects started, it would seem there are elements in China who fortunately are aware there is life outside London.

And in the field of education, you may be aware of the significant number of Chinese students in cities such as Liverpool and Manchester, a good few of whom return to their homeland at the end of each term by way of CX's non-stop scheduled flights from Manchester.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 13:45
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And in the field of education, you may be aware of the significant number of students in cities such as Liverpool and Manchester, a good few of whom return to their homeland at the end of each term by way of CX's non-stop scheduled flights from Manchester.
In my home city (Nottingham) most of the students appear to be from China! In fact the University of Nottingham has a campus in China! By that yardstick, perhaps EMA should get the China link - not that your average Chinese student is going to avail themselves of business class!

With the amount of inward investment from China to the Midlands, BHX could also lay claim to a direct service (not just the charter operation), and I guess that Bristol and the Northeast could lay similar claim. The Chinese are everywhere in business and industry these days so I honestly think that the race for a scheduled service from Beijing or Shanghai has still not yet reached it's end.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 13:49
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My comment on GO wasn't so much a criticism of no Chinese announcement but more the go ahead of some pretty amazing investment in housing /office/ retail redevelopment in Ardwick and indeed Salford Locks.

ie well we ain't got the China route but we have got some pretty mega Chinese investment.

Whilst not airport related it's a tremendous opportunity to redevelope some run down areas of the City and fill in those gaps.

....All of which improves the City and the prospects for the airport generally !

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ATNotts - Talking to Chinese students in Liverpool recently they "appeared" more switched on to the UK as an entity rather than just London and perish the thought felt there was a better vibe in Liverpool than London hence their choice

.....incidentally all 30 of them had CX bags Hong Kong - Man so "hopefully" they were on our Cathay.

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Old 25th Sep 2015, 13:55
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not that your average Chinese student is going to avail themselves of business class!
Yes, fair point. However, on a few occasions I've watched pax checking in for the Hong Kong flights in T2 and been surprised to see some who look remarkably like students in the PE or even J class queues. Maybe they were just in the wrong line or have wealthy parents, but I couldn't help wondering how much they paid for their tickets.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 14:10
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All,

When Caribbean flew to MAN with their A343s, was the routing always BW990 POS-TAB-MAN back in 2005/2006 or did it vary?

Thanks !
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 14:27
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Skipness, I thought it was in the 9O's that BWIA flew to MAN with L10-11s but could be wrong. Did they return with the A340s as Caribbean Airways? Another senior moment.

Can't help with the routeing I'm afraid.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 15:11
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Hey folks,

informed by member of management that it will be 8 flights per week from HKG with four of them coming with the A350. this will bring up total service alongside the 777.

MAN, along with Melbourne & Auckland are the first A350 LH destinations.

Very excited to be returning back home.

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Old 25th Sep 2015, 15:17
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Seymourskye,

I posted the news earlier in the thread too. There are supposedly 2 flights on Mondays with an afternoon arrival and evening departure.

A350 on Monday afternoon, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, with the B77W 'as is' on Monday morning, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

Meant to be from April-ish.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 15:21
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Air Jamaica flew the A340/300 into MAN, as did Air Seychelles.....
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 15:32
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And Air Mauritius also graced the Manchester apron for a while. Was that a B767 though?
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 15:34
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Air Mauritius used an A343 for a time. I think it was in the final few months before the flight finished.

There's pics of Egyptair B772's at MAN too.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 15:37
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Excellent, it seems the same info we have in HK. Monday's would make sense for the working week.

Just depends how we roll out the 350, hopefully no problems and smooth transition.

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Old 25th Sep 2015, 16:23
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I think they are waiting till February to load the 8 weekly due to the A350. CX are apparently confident they can still sell well enough with a relatively short lead in time (short by CX standards).
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 19:51
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Cool

There has been no announcement where the initial 350 routes will be flown as yet.
1st a/c arrives Feb, 2nd in March, 3rd in April, so highly unlikely that a daily flt to Man would happen at that time, let alone 8 a week.

The last 777 is delieverd very soon, increased flts to Adelaide, Madrid starting next year, Boston and Dusseldorf started, so the upshot is, at this time, there are not enough a/c and/or crew to start flying daily to MAN. It may or may not happen I don't know, if it did I would not expect to see it happen before Jul/August time 2016.

I heard the rumour the Monday evening flt was a freighter not a pax flt, but unsubstantiated at this point.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 20:13
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But Spanners,

The 8 weekly is not being touted as all A350.

There seems to be several sources to indicate 4 weekly B77W (obviously already operating so accounted for in the allocation numbers), and 4 weekly A350, to which 3 frames should be enough to run AKL and MAN 4 weekly each to which the rumours suggest will happen.

Therefore, 8 weekly with the mix of the 2 aircraft as suggested is in fact possible within the timeframe quoted.
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 10:56
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Cool

We shall see, as said nothing published as yet. The suggested April is, in my opinion, too early, it may well happen but I don't think that early. AKL is going 777 I think.
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 18:07
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This is from the Emirates thread:

27 March 2016:
MAN (EK019/020) from daily 2-class A380 to daily 3-class A380
LGW (EK009/010) from daily 3-class A380 to daily 2-class A380

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think the 4th daily or getting all existing services to be A380 operated will happen sometime during the course of next year, would it?
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 19:23
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That's a reduction in seats by about 700 p/w.
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 19:38
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I have heard that a 3rd A380 and a 4th flight could be happening in 2016. EK19/EK20 swapping back to a 3 class seems like a great idea because I brings back the first class and the lost PAX would be made up by the 3rd A380 or the possible 4th Flight. A big announcment is going to happen in November for EK because it's the anniversary for the MAN service.
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