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Old 12th Apr 2015, 19:58
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Rumours VLM are also looking at a MAN-WAT route.
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Old 12th Apr 2015, 21:15
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The VLM website says they have an F50 based in Cambridge. Is that... correct?
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VLM CEO was speaking about commencing WAT services earlier this week and said the response had being phenomenal!
It is certainly possible booking have been strong, but the cynical side of me says that airline CEOs tend to emphasise how well their airline is doing whenever remotely possible. Perhaps we could wait until CAA passenger stats are released for the first month of operations ?
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I expect that these new WAT routes will do incredibly well for VLM. It seems logical that they'll look at WAT-MAN too although it would probably need them to deploy another aircraft as the one based for the LTN & BHX routes is fully occupied.

I see that GWY has reopened Galway Airport | Aerphort na Gallimhe | Connecting You

Could VLM perhaps try to restore flights on this route too, as like WAT it was once very popular?
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Old 13th Apr 2015, 07:19
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The VLM website says they have an F50 based in Cambridge. Is that... correct?
I don't think it is, have seen them do a few charters out of Cambridge but nothing to suggest they still have an aircraft based there. They used to of course, operating for Cityjet, but those flights have ended in October of last year. So I guess it's just outdated information.

As far as I can tell, VLM currently has 12 aircraft of which 3 are still in Cityjet colors and 2 are chartered by Vizion Air out of Antwerp.

One (currently OO-VLQ) is based in Guernsey, operating for Aurigny, but that contract seems to be ending by the end of this week. Flights out of Rotterdam started this morning and it looks like one F50 will be based there, with one in Waterford from the 27th and one in Liege from early May. So that's four bases for now (ANR, WAT, RTM, LGG).

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I expect that these new WAT routes will do incredibly well for VLM. It seems logical that they'll look at WAT-MAN too although it would probably need them to deploy another aircraft as the one based for the LTN & BHX routes is fully occupied.

I see that GWY has reopened Galway Airport | Aerphort na Gallimhe | Connecting You

Could VLM perhaps try to restore flights on this route too, as like WAT it was once very popular?
No need for another aircraft, the schedule has room for another 1-2 flights per day. WAT-LTN-WAT-BHX-WAT-LTN-WAT & WAT-LTN-WAT-LTN-WAT. Plenty of room there for expansion.

Not a chance of any airline starting GWY again, it's operating license ends in June I believe. Plus the cost of hiring new staff, servicing Navaids, Insurance, etc etc would cost a fortune. As much as I would like to see GWY open again, I'm afraid I cannot see it happening.
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Old 13th Apr 2015, 19:03
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Completely agree. Furthermore, the airport no longer enjoys funding from the state, the PSO support from the domestic route is gone - which was all part of the mix. At such low volume the operation would never be sustainable.

Pity though as Galway is a fantastic city and from a tourism perspective has so much more potential.
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Old 13th Apr 2015, 19:10
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78Whiskey,
Completely agree. Furthermore, the airport no longer enjoys funding from the state, the PSO support from the domestic route is gone - which was all part of the mix. At such low volume the operation would never be sustainable.

Pity though as Galway is a fantastic city and from a tourism perspective has so much more potential.
If only knock wasn't built so far out, its so far out that Shannon's handier. Anyway that's another argument.

Could we see VLM in SNN or NOC or even KIR taking on a Scottish route anytime soon?
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Old 14th Apr 2015, 00:04
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It is certainly possible booking have been strong, but the cynical side of me says that airline CEOs tend to emphasise how well their airline is doing whenever remotely possible. Perhaps we could wait until CAA passenger stats are released for the first month of operations ?
Indeed proof in the numbers. CEO basically said they expected bookings to be soft until the route actually commenced and were not expecting such a response WAT flights have gotten. That may suggest some other new VLM routes may not have such high bookings in advance of start date.
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Good to see VLM are attracting so many bookings out of WAT

On a different note, does anyone know what the situation with CityJet and VLM is at the moment? How many F50s are Cityjet still using and on what routes? I miss CWL being a VLM base under CityJet, was always nice to see 2 or 3 F50s there. Now there is just one Stobart ATR 72 and they will probably leave altogether when their passenger numbers are eviscerated by Flybe. Are VLM going to continue operating some LCY for CityJet?

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Old 14th Apr 2015, 05:49
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Originally Posted by AdamThePassenger
Are VLM going to continue operating some LCY for CityJet?
They have a contract to operate for CityJet until the end of the summer season. Nothing official about what happens after that, but there are strong indications this will not be renewed. CityJet was certainly quick to ditch VLM in CWL as soon as they could.

VLM has three F50's still in the CityJet livery (OO-VLI, OO-VLL and OO-VLN). They mainly operate to ANR, RTM, NTE and to a lesser degree to ORY as well. Nothing really stops them from using a VLM liveried plane on a CityJet route, but I'd guess that as both brands are increasingly going their own separate ways this is getting less and less obvious.
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"Rumours VLM are also looking at a MAN-WAT route"


Not sure if a good or a bad thing...but am I right in thinking that the LPL-WAT route has been tried more times/operated for longer periods in the past than MAN-WAT? One assumes this is probably due to stronger ethnic/VFR ties for SE Ireland with LPL than MAN...?


Happy to be proven wrong if anyone has any useful intel on this!
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Old 14th Apr 2015, 12:29
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Aer Arran use to operate services on the Manchester to Wateford route, I think I can remember seeing them for years, but I'm not too sure.

If there's little room in the schedules, perhaps they could base an aircraft at manchester and reopen the routes to London City and Antwerp, although I don't know what demand is like for those routes anymore....
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Old 14th Apr 2015, 12:33
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Aer Arran and Flybe have both run WAT-MAN in the recent past, Im genuinely unsure if LPL-WAT has been served in recent years.


In terms of a based aircraft, I would highly doubt a return of MAN-LCY due to the decent rail services now on offer, and as for MAN-ANR, its been tried by VLM, Cityjet and bmi regional with varying degrees of success, so unsure its worth another go.
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Old 14th Apr 2015, 13:21
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LPL-WAT was served by an airline called, if I remember rightly, Euroceltic using F27 aircraft (yes I do mean F27!)

They used to have an aircraft at LPL and it operated LPL-LTN-LPL-WAT-LPL-LTN-LPL on a daily basis.

Well I say daily basis ... it operated on a couple of days ....
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Old 14th Apr 2015, 15:42
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So have VLM gone back to their old livery- and callsign (Reubens)
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Old 14th Apr 2015, 16:11
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Originally Posted by 22/04
So have VLM gone back to their old livery- and callsign (Reubens)
Their old livery was dark blue, the new one is white but yes pretty similar. The callsign never changed as VLM as an airline never ceased to exist.
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Old 15th Apr 2015, 19:16
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Their old livery was dark blue, the new one is white but yes pretty similar.
Here is a recent pic of a VLM aircraft in it's new livery

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Old 15th Apr 2015, 21:09
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Thanks for the link to the picture

- most of the flights they have been operating round here have been using Cityjet callsigns- not heard Reubens for a long time- will be good to have it back.
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LPL-WAT was served by an airline called, if I remember rightly, Euroceltic using F27 aircraft (yes I do mean F27!)

They used to have an aircraft at LPL and it operated LPL-LTN-LPL-WAT-LPL-LTN-LPL on a daily basis.

Well I say daily basis ... it operated on a couple of days ....
You are correct about this Sadly Euroceltic met an untimely end losing one of it's F27s like this:

Euroceltic

and going out of business a few months later


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