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Old 24th Jun 2015, 11:26
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What sort of service do you think 90,000 retirees and flower growers would support? OK - there is tourism but it would be worse than Newquay

No - as ever it's the MONEY that insist on the connectivity - especially into London
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 16:56
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Most Londoners think the capital has enough airport capacity already - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

A poll by ComRes found that only 24 per cent of people living in London believe the capitalís airport capacity is inadequate, while 63 per cent say it meets or exceeded their expectations.
They are asking the wrong question - AGAIN. It's not just about London.
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 18:30
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That's the down side of democracy - if the majority are wrong you're stuffed..
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 06:53
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The airport commission report is due out 6am 1st July.

Invited members of the press de briefed 6-7am the pre booked tours of various studios to follow.

I fail to see why this is mega news whereas the mega expansion of Manchester was transparent !
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 09:28
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Big knock on effect commercialy so it has to be out before the Stock Exchange opens

Given thatteh Govt have jsut pulled the plug on Network Rails plans I expect they will "carefully study" the conclusions for at least a year whatever is said

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Old 27th Jun 2015, 09:51
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The difference being however, that LHR3 of LGW2 wouldn't need to be publicly funded.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 09:58
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Errr ... Dannyboy39 ... you need to read back over this thread on that one! A substantial element of public funding WILL be required. Estimates vary considerably, with the highest from TfL suggesting upto GBP20Bn from public funds needed to make LHR R3 happen.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 10:16
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It will be 'KK'.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 10:22
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Given thatteh Govt have jsut pulled the plug on Network Rails plans I expect they will "carefully study" the conclusions for at least a year whatever is said
Sorry to be a Northern cynic, but I find it hard to accept the Government / Treasury will be in the slightest reluctant to spend £6bn upwards of tax payers money on R3 at London Heathrow if that is what Davies recommends, while refusing to give the North a decent rail network. (I mean financially - the politics is a different matter).
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 14:13
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Errr ... Dannyboy39 ... you need to read back over this thread on that one! A substantial element of public funding WILL be required. Estimates vary considerably, with the highest from TfL suggesting upto GBP20Bn from public funds needed to make LHR R3 happen.
Public money MAY be required to fund some of the transport improvements needed to cater with the extra traffic generated by R3 / T6 (let's not underplay the scale of the project we're talking about here). As yet there is no definitive figure, despite some of the numbers bandied about on this thread, but what is clear is that the vast majority of the project and associated costs would be privately funded.

Pushing the pause button on the Network Rail programme is probably as much to do with the impending Comprehensive Spending Review, no doubt to be announced by the Chancellor when he sets the forward spending envelope in his Budget speech. They will review, re-prioritise and decide what projects will provide the greatest benefit (financially and politically) and then things will get going again in the autumn.

In terms of whether spending public cash on transport in west London or in the north of England provides better value, I'm afraid that as has been said by others the north will generally lose out because of the way Treasury and DfT assess value in such business cases.

R3 / T6 would actually probably be seen to offer value as tens of millions of additional air passengers through London, all paying APD would generate significant income to the Treasury, in effect paying any public funding element back. Electrification of the Manchester - Leeds route may offer some benefits in terms of time savings, etc, but doesn't actually generate much in the way of new or additional income to Government.

As for anything said by TFL, they do their Master's bidding and given he is set against Heathrow, it is inevitable that their view on the costs and impacts would be skewed. What they don't say is how much of their £20 billion figure they would have to spend anyway to replace and renew existing infrastructure, and support growth that would occurr regardless of another runway and terminal at Heathrow.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 15:36
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Anyone connecting at a UK airport from one overseas destination to another overseas destination is not subject to APD so not all passengers are paying.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 15:51
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I'm all for it! A 3rd runway at Heathrow would boost traffic flow, generate more revenue, and make it a more attractive airport for operators. Sod the moaning complaints of the residents close-by, shouldn't have moved there in the first place!

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Old 27th Jun 2015, 17:36
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Jersey would support at least 3 A319 s per day & Guernsey at least 3 EMB190s. So, about 1500 pax per day, minimum, between them. that's about 500,000 per annum, & possibly more.
That would be greater than on some existing routes operated from Heathrow, which, in my view, justifies our request for Heathrow to CI services.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 18:45
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Run that one by me again......

Routes to the CI would be more profitable...

"......than some existing routes".

Blimey don't tell BA !

As for pritotising spend on SE over The North well sorry,general observation for Mr Osborne you can dress that up any way you want but this time , just for once, just this time, the term.......

"take a hike comes to mind"

At this rate #Northernpowerhouse is likely to disolve into
#Northernpowercut

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Old 27th Jun 2015, 18:59
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It will be 'KK'.
PB, I fear you might be right but it'd be a great shame that the UK doesn't maximise the £££ & jobs on offer. Davies own report says LL would deliver more of both than KK but instead, the politicians will worry about their re-election over growth. Leadership requires courage & I don't see any of that in Westminster any more.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 19:51
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I did not mention profits, but I'm sure they could be made , especially as a Heathrow route would be so attractive to islanders & incoming businessmen that they would attract a premium over Gatwick fares.
& that would be over Gatwick fares even after a 2nd runway was built there.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 12:26
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"Leadership requires courage"

"well - a bold decision will probably cost you your job, a brave decision will cost you the next election" - Sir Humphrey Abbleby
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 12:27
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"Jersey would support at least 3 A319 s per day & Guernsey at least 3 EMB190s"

evidence???
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 13:00
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That's it; & it's good enough to justify the case.
What's more, somebody states above that transit pax don't pay APD. I can tell him that CI pax DO pay it, even tho' they are not supposed to. It doesn't go to the Government. Instead, the airlines steal it from us, & keep it.
This would boost their profit from the routes even more !
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 14:08
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I fear you might be right but it'd be a great shame that the UK doesn't maximise the £££ & jobs on offer
I agree entirely but I've been observing UK politicians for too long and it will be KK. I'm not saying that I'll eat my hat if it is LL but, I would be truly astonished.

The C.I. argument is strong as is an old favourite of mine, The Isle of Man - another financial stronghold. Twice a day would be fine. Then you can start loading up all the other displaced 'Brymons' and their ilk.
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