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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:05
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They tried EDI before, just once a day. Useless for short stage which will depend on business traffic to be viable.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:10
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Wasn't it EZY that did EDI?
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:12
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Indeed it was EZY that operated EDI. Maybe a smaller E195 might have been better suited?

Regardless of whether SEN has had the most dropped routes per year on the EZY UK network or not, creating a new base requires an initial period of route trial and error which SEN is probably still in. I guess it depends on how long you interpret that timescale to be. The SEN base is still quite young in my opinion (5 years).
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:42
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Originally Posted by rowly6339
This is just what I have been told. I can't for obvious reasons say what my sources are but things are moving behind the scenes.

One of the new parking stands will be a dedicated de-icing area too according to what I am hearing.
Not on the new parking stands. It will be on TWY B, just north of the current holding point B2.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:57
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Originally Posted by inOban
They tried EDI before, just once a day. Useless for short stage which will depend on business traffic to be viable.
The weekend flights were full though. I wonder if perhaps BE won't let Stobart run EDI flights due to BE operating from LCY
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:32
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
The weekend flights were full though. I wonder if perhaps BE won't let Stobart run EDI flights due to BE operating from LCY
Makes sense I guess. To be honest, I flew EZY to EDI a few times in the past and remember all the flights were stuffed full.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:36
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Don't BE fly to DUBLIN from LCY ? maybe there is still enough pax for both airports, there always was, we had good pax numbers not so long ago
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:42
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Remember it's not just the load factor, it's the revenue. What price were the tickets? How much ancillary revenue? It must be difficult to sell much on a short flight.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:48
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Originally Posted by mikkie4
Don't BE fly to DUBLIN from LCY ? maybe there is still enough pax for both airports, there always was, we had good pax numbers not so long ago
I think SEN presents a stronger margin yield to BE on that DUB route as the increasing costs at LCY are killing off interest.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 22:30
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BE no longer operate LCY-DUB, hence why some believe Stobart are now able to relaunch SEN-DUB.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 22:53
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Honestly dont see the attraction of new domestic SEN routes to ie GLA/MAN. Might be smaller and potentially a little quicker through security but thats it. Not really any handier for central london, unlikely useful connections, limited back up for cancellations or delays and limited facilities in the airport. A nice little port for local catchment outbound but suspect thats it.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 23:11
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I don't know. You pop out for a few hours and it all kicks off.

Now Rowly6339 says that a 4th EZY is to be based at SEN next year. aax1 is adamant that this will not happen. One of them is wrong. When the later talks about 'the least successful airport' etc for EZY, he openly states this is using one particular measure. I certainly wouldn't challenge him on this - he seems to know what he's talking about, but I would say this: EZY have been operating out of SEN for 5 years now. For the airline to persist it must of met the majority of its targets (or got very close) over the years. It wouldn't hang around otherwise, SEN could not possibly be so important overall that EZY would retain its base whilst performing consistently below expectations. Now, targets may be lower because of the deal they struck with Stobart but that's a whole new debate.

Certainly hope that Airbus no 4 is on the way. Just what's needed to maintain momentum.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 04:13
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Originally Posted by inOban
Remember it's not just the load factor, it's the revenue. What price were the tickets? How much ancillary revenue? It must be difficult to sell much on a short flight.
I can't speak for every flight that operated. What I can say from the two times I used it were that cheaper fares were available from LTN and STN. The short flight argument would surely apply to all Scotland routes along with EZY's many routes to the near continent.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 07:36
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RBS's commercial card division is based at Southend, and a major employer in the town. That must generate some traffic between Southend and Edinburgh I'd have thought......
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:00
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This thread has a commonality with its own past. When easyjet first came to Southend people here were predicting new routes to most of Europe. The reality is that Easyjet cut capacity while the rest of London's airports were booming. The same thing happened with Flybe and now we have Stobart and the rumours are flying again about new routes.

The reality is and it pains me to say it is that it has been hard to make any route a success out of Southend. Easyjet, where most of Southend's hopes lie has not made a great success out of Southend with it dropping routes one after another only to be replaced with new routes that have also failed to deliver profits despite alleged good passenger loads.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:15
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I believe the MAN flights will be the resurrected plans of serving the route 2 daily, apart from Mon/Fri where a 3rd flight will operate.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:18
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Originally Posted by Pain in the R's
The reality is and it pains me to say it is that it has been hard to make any route a success out of Southend.
Not true. It is pretty clear that the summer sun routes do rather well, with new destinations added which have been retained along with frequency and capacity increases on others. Amsterdam has been a success. The winter fights to Geneva continue to return. Jersey comes back year after year.

The record on city routes has been poor but these have not been tested to date on smaller aircraft, so the jury is out as to how Stobart get on. That said, Krakow and Venice in particular seem to have done quite well but perhaps been dropped for other reasons which is a common practice with LCCs. Berlin also did very well until they shifted it from being a midday flight, which underlines the airport's biggest handicap - lack of reliable early and late public transport.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:19
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it has been hard to make any route a success out of Southend
Well that's just not true, is it? Amsterdam, Alicante, Palma and, surprisingly, Rennes among others have all proved popular and successful. Only Rennes seemed to require hard work to get it up and running viably, the other three were immediate successes.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 09:08
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EDI was operated for 13 months during 2013/14, carrying just over 52,000 passengers during that time. EZY also operated BFS for a couple of years with greater success - 92,000 passengers in 2012 and 85,000 in 2013.

I think the problem for domestic routes out of SEN is that easyJet already operate substantial domestic schedules out of LTN and STN. SEN-EDI was only operated x6 weekly in comparison to multiple daily flights out of easyJet's other London hubs, so wasn't exactly convenient for business travellers.

Sun routes have been more successful because frequency isn't really an issue - airport convenience and prices would be the main factors.

I can't see domestic services working from SEN unless they are operated at least x3 daily, thus BE/RE could be best equipped to commence these routes.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 09:21
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A320.b744: Good summary there. Also I would expect EZY to be very wary of the effect of the SEN flights detracting from the yield on the same domestic routes from the other LON airports.
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