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The fly in the Southend ointment will always be Stansted and to a minor extent Luton. Luton will have spare capacity again from next year and Stansted has spare capacity with plans announced to extend the terminal so airlines still have plenty of choice.
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Yes, it seems that my email to LSA worked. A person from Marketing and PR replied to me and assured it would be rectified immediately. That's done now. And regarding the passenger stats, Debbie of the Flight Data Team checked and found that because of the incorrect way SEN had filed the January figures, it didn't work, but she will work on it today and said the figures should be there early next week.
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Perhaps as per a previous poster STN rather than a fly in the ointment is the elephant in the room...The maxing out of London`s capacity as per another poster is just a chimera for the misguided to chase or wish for....extra capacity is always found....STN & LTN have grown exponentially by not waiting for said but building & working their own accepted markets......Meanwhile STN/MAG are driving toward the max use of the existing R/W which present numbers state as 42M P.A. but as we know will creep north of that...LCY is also moving ahead with previously rejected plans..So a pincer movement going on....not to mention new R/W`s for LHR/LGW/STN....The other mirage chased by Stobart originally was the London Olympics glow & afterglow which also failed to produce & dictated they could not therefore build sell & run....A shiny new terminal building does not guarantee extensive use perhaps just ask DSA & BOH...Good Luck..SS
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A bit more from the Echo. Mr Jones' side of the story now...
Ambitious expansion plans from airport boss (From Echo)
Ambitious expansion plans from airport boss (From Echo)
Yes Stansted does have plenty of potential capacity in the future with a larger terminal. Gatwick manages over 40m pax per year so Stansted can probably find space for 15m more pax beyond the 25m pax who currently use it
But will Stansted also try raising its fees to airports, and will it remain suitable for thinner routes in 5 or 10 years time ? I suspect as STN gets busier, someone at MAG will get a little greedy and want to 'further monetise the customer base' - or in other words raise the charges to make unfeasible in summer anything with less than 140 tickets sold; LTN will probably also structure its airport charges similiarly
As long as SEN management don't get greedy, there will be plenty of space in the market for SEN
But will Stansted also try raising its fees to airports, and will it remain suitable for thinner routes in 5 or 10 years time ? I suspect as STN gets busier, someone at MAG will get a little greedy and want to 'further monetise the customer base' - or in other words raise the charges to make unfeasible in summer anything with less than 140 tickets sold; LTN will probably also structure its airport charges similiarly
As long as SEN management don't get greedy, there will be plenty of space in the market for SEN
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It is OK for Glyn Jones to be spouting off about hoping for 2.5 million pax but there is just not the demand there. Let me explain - the catchment area for Southend relies I would suggest on Essex, North Kent (Dartford Crossing not recommended), parts of Suffolk and East London. Apart from North Kent it overlaps Stansted which has far more choice, a better but no much better rail service but the M11 next to it. Punters from Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Beds and Northants are not going to trapse across to Southend (round the M25 and then the A127) when they have both Stansted and Luton on their doorstep with a much wider choice of destination.
So can we just be realistic about Southend - maybe 800,000 to one million but no more per year and be thankful for that.
So can we just be realistic about Southend - maybe 800,000 to one million but no more per year and be thankful for that.
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Re the Echo above.....Would this be perhaps rehashed marketing huff & puff again this time rolled out to cloak/cover the stepping down of a certain someone ...& a positive spin for the institutions....Read closely the spin is in the same direction but the detail varies somewhat from his previous outing/excursion...The paper as a non-local always appears somewhat malleable toward SEN.....
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I think everyone associated with the airport needs to calm down a little and get a dose of reality. 10m will never be achievable for an airport of this size with its catchment area and to think otherwise is just plain foolish. To also be talking about yet another terminal extension is like running before you can walk and the current facility will surely be able to accommodate circa 3m and be more than serviceable for the next few years, just like the one at Southampton that is probably slightly smaller!
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Quote Glyn Jones, chief executive of the airport, which operates Easyjet and Flybe flights, said: “We are going ahead all guns blazing. This year we expect passengers to grow 30 per cent for Easyjet and 10 per cent for Flybe thanks to the 11 new routes we started selling two weeks ago.
Well, that's good news from Glyn regarding easyjet. Obviously another airbus on the way as we speak.
But ticket sales on the 11 new routes must be appalling!
Well, that's good news from Glyn regarding easyjet. Obviously another airbus on the way as we speak.
But ticket sales on the 11 new routes must be appalling!
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I`m glad you noticed that too DC3Dave.....It all adds to the impression that ya man is not even listening to himself.....but is useful at least as a human or rather marketing shield.....Reading David J 6`s post I am wondering which STN services he has in mind when he alludes to flights with less than 140 tickets sold?... or if he means actual a/c with less than 140 seat capacity again I would ask which airlines & routes he has in mind as I cannot think of any which fit the criteria bearing in mind too RYR`s & EZY`s published load factors. AUR is the only one that springs readily to mind & they are using/eying LCY for additional services @ least & of course BEE with the Summer NQY & that may well revert back to RYR anyhows in the years to come(the quoted timescale) as NQY has learnt to be more obliging to RYR & would much prefer a double daily jet service to London & who knows by then connections!!.There is of course the PSO`s eg DND & LDY but being political may well be canned when it is politically expedient...So I think it is wrong to raise SEN hopes for any market driven transfers from the much larger airports....As I said previously all that stuff is a chimera...Good Luck SS
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The 300k pax per year from the new routes seems reasonable to me, it equates to about 75% average LF if you run five flights per day. I recall the Cityjet talk being for four aircraft hence the 50% reduction compared to initial expectations, but starting with two seems far more sustainable.
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southside bobby - I get you're point but don't assume the future will contain the present. Stobart have identified at least two markets (Rennes and Groningen) that suit small aircraft - there will be others out there that emerge in time. The PSOs you mention may remain or they may fall away but other PSOs might crop up. Who knows what the future of LCY is? They may price out anything under 100 seats as they tried before. The owners might cash in the site for housing.
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Are we not all missing the point of peak time slots? Yes if you want to fly an airbus into Stansted at 1500 on a Wednesday afternoon they will have you all day long. If you want to fly into Stansted between 0700 and 0800 on a Monday morning your flight scheduling may be significantly more complicated. Is this not an area where all other London airports really are nearly full at this time but Southend still has genuine capacity which can be exploited?
I'm thinking that every year the main LCCs will cut routes which underperform on a A320 / B738. Normally it's because demand is more suitable for maybe an ATR72 or Dash 8.
Gatwick squeezed Flybe out because they had small aircraft. Presumably some airline somewhere will pick up that demand exists to/from London on these thinner routes which Luton and Stansted eventually will price out. An example might be Haugesund in Norway
Gatwick squeezed Flybe out because they had small aircraft. Presumably some airline somewhere will pick up that demand exists to/from London on these thinner routes which Luton and Stansted eventually will price out. An example might be Haugesund in Norway
This year we expect passengers to grow 30 per cent for Easyjet and 10 per cent for Flybe thanks to the 11 new routes we started selling two weeks ago.
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Glyn Jones, chief executive of the airport, which operates Easyjet and Flybe flights, said: “We are going ahead all guns blazing. This year we expect passengers to grow 30 per cent for Easyjet and 10 per cent for Flybe thanks to the 11 new routes we started selling two weeks ago.
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tayair6 The figures stated in the Echo article are the wrong way round.
In another Echo article Neil Slaven (of easyJet) said whilst referring to the 2017 outlook on new routes/frequencies: "We think there will be 10 per cent growth"
In another Echo article Neil Slaven (of easyJet) said whilst referring to the 2017 outlook on new routes/frequencies: "We think there will be 10 per cent growth"
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No not missing any point at all....Regarding London area airports can you indicate services say by LHR airlines that overflow into LGW at the peak peak times...& then conversely services by LGW airlines that overflow into STN at the peak peak times & perhaps advise of any rumours of STN based airlines thinking of using SEN at STN`s own peak peak times please?..There is no cascading around of traffic...LHR for instance adapted & engage in parallel landings for the early Far Eastern & US heavies(The only time of day this is conducted regularly) & there are other numerous instances of market forces modifying perceived circumstance..The SEN Terminal has been there some years & STN has been squeezed for many Summers 0700/0900 so where is the evidence...when is it going to happen?...My point is it is a mirage that is being clung to,the market itself adapts & always has done, together with a point the other London area airports have grown & continue to grow their OWN markets & have learnt thru bitter experience at times not to sit back & wait for it to fall into their arms by default....& no AirportPlanner my lines should not appear to be in the past tho there is the maxim basically thus... he who does not know the past cannot know the future...For instance in the Fifties Sixties & Seventies LGW waited & waited for the so called overspill...a government even drew up a masterplan to move traffic there & named airlines but needless to say the market prevailed....Yes as you state Stobart on the one hand may have identified a niche route or two but the whole point is ya man has now gone on two recent huff & puff occasions/excursions snowing the institutions...Yes the industry inc Airports are now even more fluid & dynamic than ever...that should have been the message from my post/s...& yes aware too of the idea floated but probably forgotten already re LCY to housing....