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Unfortunately a lot of young people today expect everything on a plate and cannot think for themselves when something goes wrong. They expect everything to be just clockwork and life is just not like that. Think on your feet. As Harry says do a bit of research and planning (what) and you will be fine, but this is coming from an old git where ones travels have not always been clockwork but one battles on as one does and it turns out OK in the end.
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Not sure they expect it - I think they are taught that way- get the ticket put in on your CV on to the next job. Corporates don't want them to think - far too dangerous.
Anyway I've been not watching the forums and off in Sunny Florida. Can anyone give me the construction numbers of the airframes operating the Stobart services -
Anyway I've been not watching the forums and off in Sunny Florida. Can anyone give me the construction numbers of the airframes operating the Stobart services -
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I think it might come down to me wanting to see the underdog airport do well at all times of the day and night. Southend seems to be a great experience for passengers but sometimes it is clear depending when the passenger travels the place can be a nightmare if the passenger doesn't travel by car.
Much of that is out of the airports control but some of that experience is under the full control of the airport and they could do more.
Much of that is out of the airports control but some of that experience is under the full control of the airport and they could do more.
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The points Mr Wayfarers & compton3bravo make are fair enough, it's just that London is supposed to be a major capital; a 24/7 city. Therefore if you say you are a London airport you are claiming to be part of that city, not a sleepy backwater.
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London airport or not?
I think the debate over terminal opening hours and evicting hapless travellers at midnight can be summarised thus; if SEN wants to be seen as a London airport it needs to act like a London airport and provide 24 hour opening. If SEN wants to act like a small regional airport then it can close its doors whenever it likes but will need to drop the London prefix from its name.
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LCY not really a valid comparison (from the point of view of people getting stranded) The last arrival is around 21.30 - Last DLR service over 2 hours later. Then there are night buses etc. Not far to central London in a taxi. So onward travel not a problem. Anyone wanting to hang about in the terminal would only be seeking a free night's accommodation.
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LCY is one of 2 "London" international airports with a London postcode (the other being Heathrow). People accept it as a high cost entry point into London with limited opening hours that are designed to meet the business traveller's needs.
SEN is a regional airport that seeks to be accepted as an alternative to the other 3 out of London "London" airports (Gatwick, Luton and Stansted). All of the other 3 are open 24/7 and have facilities to cater for passengers when there are no flights (24 hour opening for food and drink outlets).
A foreigner turning up to a "London" airport would reasonably expect 24 hour opening. When the word spreads that SEN is not 24hr then the perception will spread that SEN is a regional and not a London airport.
Much better to be viewed as a regional with good links to London, than a London Airport with restricted terminal opening times. As another poster pointed out, the cheap fare is more than outweighed by the fact that there is nowhere to stay warm and buy a coffee and a sandwich overnight. Who wants to book into a hotel for 4 hours? I suggest nobody when Luton, Stansted and Gatwick all cater for the overnight traveller.
SEN is a regional airport that seeks to be accepted as an alternative to the other 3 out of London "London" airports (Gatwick, Luton and Stansted). All of the other 3 are open 24/7 and have facilities to cater for passengers when there are no flights (24 hour opening for food and drink outlets).
A foreigner turning up to a "London" airport would reasonably expect 24 hour opening. When the word spreads that SEN is not 24hr then the perception will spread that SEN is a regional and not a London airport.
Much better to be viewed as a regional with good links to London, than a London Airport with restricted terminal opening times. As another poster pointed out, the cheap fare is more than outweighed by the fact that there is nowhere to stay warm and buy a coffee and a sandwich overnight. Who wants to book into a hotel for 4 hours? I suggest nobody when Luton, Stansted and Gatwick all cater for the overnight traveller.
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Hilarious.....I count now 31 posts of which half is the SEN locals really defending the indefensible & being self righteous concerning the facilities or rather the zero facilities for International pax at SEN.The fact is SEN is claiming to be a London Gateway Airport as the local posters have proclaimed too well in the past & it needs therefore to stand up....To try & justify their illusionary positions they also resort to slandering STN or their rather unjustified views of STN`s pax & now LCY too... Meanwhile in that real world of International Airports STN announces yet another new route today...this time EWG with SZG for Winter 17...another route opting for proper facilities for it`s customers....Good Luck......The Southside...
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This is tedious.
The terminal in closed. If people arrive and the terminal is closed then ask them to point to the clause in the T&Cs of their tickets which says that they have 24hr access to the terminal.
Their ticket clearly states that check in opens 2 hours before departure, if they decide to arrive 8 hours early, then that is their risk.
Now, we are talking about a handful of passengers that had a bad experience, so what? In % terms it's minimal!
The terminal in closed. If people arrive and the terminal is closed then ask them to point to the clause in the T&Cs of their tickets which says that they have 24hr access to the terminal.
Their ticket clearly states that check in opens 2 hours before departure, if they decide to arrive 8 hours early, then that is their risk.
Now, we are talking about a handful of passengers that had a bad experience, so what? In % terms it's minimal!
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The points Mr Wayfarers & compton3bravo make are fair enough, it's just that London is supposed to be a major capital; a 24/7 city. Therefore if you say you are a London airport you are claiming to be part of that city, not a sleepy backwater.
And I ain't, by far, a Southend local
This is indeed tedious as Cumbrian Boy points out. Extremely tedious, worse than a bad day on Jet Blast in fact. As a relief from all this rubbish may I introduce a piece of real aviation news that may actually be of interest to a wider audience..
Many will be aware there are three HS748s that have been in open storage at SEN since Janes Aviation ceased trading in 2009. In October 2014 it was reported that one (or all ?) had been sold to a Kenyan operator and preparations were under way to fly it out to Kenya. Now (March 2017) it seems that its departure may be imminent.
http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/fo...?f=169&t=27599
This presumably will be the first HS748n to fly in UK or Europe for several years, and that it, or its fellow 748s if they follow it, could be the last to be seen flying in these parts. Am I correct in this supposition ?
I suspect there is a good story to be told here if anyone is able to unearth it.
Many will be aware there are three HS748s that have been in open storage at SEN since Janes Aviation ceased trading in 2009. In October 2014 it was reported that one (or all ?) had been sold to a Kenyan operator and preparations were under way to fly it out to Kenya. Now (March 2017) it seems that its departure may be imminent.
http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/fo...?f=169&t=27599
This presumably will be the first HS748n to fly in UK or Europe for several years, and that it, or its fellow 748s if they follow it, could be the last to be seen flying in these parts. Am I correct in this supposition ?
I suspect there is a good story to be told here if anyone is able to unearth it.
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Regarding your question as to the construction numbers of the aircraft that will launch the new Stobart Air routes in May, I don't even know the identity of the aircraft type at this point. It has been widely suggested that an ACMI operator will be used initially and that seems likely to me as Stobart don't expect to have the E195 on their AOC until September.
Presumably this will become known before too long but the only specific suggestion I have heard is that it could be Jota.
Regarding your question as to the construction numbers of the aircraft that will launch the new Stobart Air routes in May, I don't even know the identity of the aircraft type at this point. It has been widely suggested that an ACMI operator will be used initially and that seems likely to me as Stobart don't expect to have the E195 on their AOC until September.
Presumably this will become known before too long but the only specific suggestion I have heard is that it could be Jota.
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I have also heard from a staff member that Jota will operate the routes until the E195s are available.
I think we have exhausted the discussion on late passengers wanting to sleep on the floor in a closed terminal. Let's move on please.
I think we have exhausted the discussion on late passengers wanting to sleep on the floor in a closed terminal. Let's move on please.