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Well with three routes dropped they will have to do something with at least one aircraft. If the SEN -DUB route really did make a profit it must be a possibility it will return but if they don't bring the route back than I would say they didn't make any money out of it despite alleged good loads.
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The London - Dublin route is an incredibly competitive market, however is 61,000 ppa enough? Well 5,000 pax per month is far higher than any of the other Stobart routes out of SEN at present.
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Well with three routes dropped they will have to do something with at least one aircraft. If the SEN -DUB route really did make a profit it must be a possibility it will return but if they don't bring the route back than I would say they didn't make any money out of it despite alleged good loads.
Any more news on the illustrious Sea Air?
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Sorry you have lost me there. SW.
By 'That' I meant fleet reductions of suitable aircraft and a route with 61k pax per year deemed not viable..ok I know yield....However my simple maths gives me 168 passengers per day...now can you honestly see a CAX route generating that per day,every day?.....That's what I meant by 'that'.
Plus as stated..that was the best'performing' passenger carrying route( I know..yields')
By 'That' I meant fleet reductions of suitable aircraft and a route with 61k pax per year deemed not viable..ok I know yield....However my simple maths gives me 168 passengers per day...now can you honestly see a CAX route generating that per day,every day?.....That's what I meant by 'that'.
Plus as stated..that was the best'performing' passenger carrying route( I know..yields')
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The one and only reason Stobart is even contemplating CAX-SEN is the government money the route will attract and that it benefits three of Stobart's enterprises.
It's a complete waste of taxpayers money when the Virgin train service takes passengers to and from the heart of London every hour and not to a location nearly an hour away. Add to that minimum check-in times and a "slow" prop aircraft being used on the route and there is a good argument that the tax payers handout could be better spent as the time savings are not that great.
It's a complete waste of taxpayers money when the Virgin train service takes passengers to and from the heart of London every hour and not to a location nearly an hour away. Add to that minimum check-in times and a "slow" prop aircraft being used on the route and there is a good argument that the tax payers handout could be better spent as the time savings are not that great.
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The one and only reason Stobart is even contemplating CAX-SEN is the government money the route will attract and that it benefits three of Stobart's enterprises.
It's a complete waste of taxpayers money when the Virgin train service takes passengers to and from the heart of London every hour and not to a location nearly an hour away. Add to that minimum check-in times and a "slow" prop aircraft being used on the route and there is a good argument that the tax payers handout could be better spent as the time savings are not that great.
It's a complete waste of taxpayers money when the Virgin train service takes passengers to and from the heart of London every hour and not to a location nearly an hour away. Add to that minimum check-in times and a "slow" prop aircraft being used on the route and there is a good argument that the tax payers handout could be better spent as the time savings are not that great.
I totally agree about the taxpayers' money point. A route should be viable or a subsidy must serve some important social purpose. However, from South or South East Essex getting to Euston itself can be time consuming and difficult, particularly in the peak. So I only half agree. CAX-SEN take the train. SEN-CAX (SEN-GLA even better) is a route that may work.
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At the end of the day, Stobart have been offered the financial support for the routes (should they decide to launch them) and it's up to them to make it commercially viable within the 3 years of funding.
If CAX-SEN commences then they should do a time trial video with the plane vs. train to a location in central London to prove that flying is the quickest way (or not).
If CAX-SEN commences then they should do a time trial video with the plane vs. train to a location in central London to prove that flying is the quickest way (or not).
The one and only reason Stobart is even contemplating CAX-SEN is the government money the route will attract.
This quote from the Carlisle News and Star
On 19/12/2008 Carlisle City Council gave planning permission to allow Eddie Stobart and Stobart Rail to move their operations from Kingstown to the airport. Mr Tinkler said “Now they have approved it we will get on and build it. This safeguards the jobs at Kingstown and will create others, which is good news. We are committed to upgrading the runway and passenger facilities and we’ve been in talks with potential operators. The intention is to have flights to Southend Airport which, when a new [railway] station opens next year, will be 50 minutes from London.”
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Stobart shares are doing well recently. Though I think there was some press recently about the yield on them that may have attracted some buyers. Unless of course the Chinese are going to buy Southend airport cash
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Well - what a shame to see from the latest release by Easyjet that Barcelona is - apparently - to end on 17/03/17. I wonder what will replace it? More flights to Amsterdam maybe? To quote - "The route you have selected (Barcelona) is for sale until 17/03/17".
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They don't release the next batch of flights till September Essexman61, All easyjet flights are only bookable till March 2017 wherever you are going.
http://www.easyjet.com/en/schedule-release
http://www.easyjet.com/en/schedule-release
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Hmmm- are you sure about that? All the other EZY SEN routes are available for the following week - (after 17/3) - but Barcelona is not?
You seem quite definite in what you are saying but just wanted to check. Apologies if I have got it wrong.
Thank you.
You seem quite definite in what you are saying but just wanted to check. Apologies if I have got it wrong.
Thank you.
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Does look indeed that BCN is to be dropped. All other routes now available up until end of March. SXF did exactly the same thing before confirmed the route would end.
That's seemingly both BCN and VCE now being dropped from SEN.
That's seemingly both BCN and VCE now being dropped from SEN.