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Old 6th Jun 2016, 18:00
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stobarts adding extra rotation 4 days a week from brs.that is on the dub route

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Well with three routes dropped they will have to do something with at least one aircraft. If the SEN -DUB route really did make a profit it must be a possibility it will return but if they don't bring the route back than I would say they didn't make any money out of it despite alleged good loads.
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The London - Dublin route is an incredibly competitive market, however is 61,000 ppa enough? Well 5,000 pax per month is far higher than any of the other Stobart routes out of SEN at present.
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The London - Dublin route is an incredibly competitive market
..and you haven't a hope of competing in this market with a 50 or 70 seat turbo-prop
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Well with three routes dropped they will have to do something with at least one aircraft. If the SEN -DUB route really did make a profit it must be a possibility it will return but if they don't bring the route back than I would say they didn't make any money out of it despite alleged good loads.
The main problem with DUB was that they were competing with RYR out of STN. RYR have the capacity to provide very low prices and in the end it killed the SEN route. Same reason ANR didn't work from SEN, they had WX out of LCY so they were competing for a market that simply had no interest. A shame really

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Old 7th Jun 2016, 06:44
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SEN to CAX

Wonder where that leaves the 'proposed' Carlisle route and the Stobart operation there?
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Wonder where that leaves the 'proposed' Carlisle route and the Stobart operation there?
What "that" do you mean??
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That...

Sorry you have lost me there. SW.

By 'That' I meant fleet reductions of suitable aircraft and a route with 61k pax per year deemed not viable..ok I know yield....However my simple maths gives me 168 passengers per day...now can you honestly see a CAX route generating that per day,every day?.....That's what I meant by 'that'.
Plus as stated..that was the best'performing' passenger carrying route( I know..yields')
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Comparing SEN-DUB and SEN-CAX is comparing apples and oranges.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 04:47
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The one and only reason Stobart is even contemplating CAX-SEN is the government money the route will attract and that it benefits three of Stobart's enterprises.

It's a complete waste of taxpayers money when the Virgin train service takes passengers to and from the heart of London every hour and not to a location nearly an hour away. Add to that minimum check-in times and a "slow" prop aircraft being used on the route and there is a good argument that the tax payers handout could be better spent as the time savings are not that great.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The one and only reason Stobart is even contemplating CAX-SEN is the government money the route will attract and that it benefits three of Stobart's enterprises.

It's a complete waste of taxpayers money when the Virgin train service takes passengers to and from the heart of London every hour and not to a location nearly an hour away. Add to that minimum check-in times and a "slow" prop aircraft being used on the route and there is a good argument that the tax payers handout could be better spent as the time savings are not that great.

I totally agree about the taxpayers' money point. A route should be viable or a subsidy must serve some important social purpose. However, from South or South East Essex getting to Euston itself can be time consuming and difficult, particularly in the peak. So I only half agree. CAX-SEN take the train. SEN-CAX (SEN-GLA even better) is a route that may work.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 11:28
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My feeling is that the effects of the RACF are wildly overestimated by some PPRUNERs. We are not talking about PSO-style large-scale taxpayer funding.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 12:05
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At the end of the day, Stobart have been offered the financial support for the routes (should they decide to launch them) and it's up to them to make it commercially viable within the 3 years of funding.

If CAX-SEN commences then they should do a time trial video with the plane vs. train to a location in central London to prove that flying is the quickest way (or not).
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 15:28
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The one and only reason Stobart is even contemplating CAX-SEN is the government money the route will attract.
Apart from the fact that Stobart have been planning a CAX-SEN service since well before the Regional Fund was suggested.

This quote from the Carlisle News and Star

On 19/12/2008 Carlisle City Council gave planning permission to allow Eddie Stobart and Stobart Rail to move their operations from Kingstown to the airport. Mr Tinkler said “Now they have approved it we will get on and build it. This safeguards the jobs at Kingstown and will create others, which is good news. We are committed to upgrading the runway and passenger facilities and we’ve been in talks with potential operators. The intention is to have flights to Southend Airport which, when a new [railway] station opens next year, will be 50 minutes from London.”
Pesky things, facts.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 18:03
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Stobart shares are doing well recently. Though I think there was some press recently about the yield on them that may have attracted some buyers. Unless of course the Chinese are going to buy Southend airport cash
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 13:52
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Well - what a shame to see from the latest release by Easyjet that Barcelona is - apparently - to end on 17/03/17. I wonder what will replace it? More flights to Amsterdam maybe? To quote - "The route you have selected (Barcelona) is for sale until 17/03/17".
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 14:43
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They don't release the next batch of flights till September Essexman61, All easyjet flights are only bookable till March 2017 wherever you are going.

http://www.easyjet.com/en/schedule-release
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 14:52
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Hmmm- are you sure about that? All the other EZY SEN routes are available for the following week - (after 17/3) - but Barcelona is not?

You seem quite definite in what you are saying but just wanted to check. Apologies if I have got it wrong.

Thank you.

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Old 9th Jun 2016, 16:16
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Perhaps some changes are in the pipeline from EZY? They've got a least one route to replace (unless existing routes go up in frequency).
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 17:42
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Does look indeed that BCN is to be dropped. All other routes now available up until end of March. SXF did exactly the same thing before confirmed the route would end.

That's seemingly both BCN and VCE now being dropped from SEN.
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