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Old 7th Aug 2017, 20:41
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The airport Manager Steve Gill has been quoted in the local media saying that these new routes are "a shot in the arm" for the airport. I fear it will be more like "a shot in the back of the head" for the airport. The passenger figures on some of the Aberdeen services are in single figures. Several daily frequencies are cancelled or combined with other bases flights as the passenger figures are so low. There is really no need to have two operators on such a marginal route. This will purely push Eastern off the Aberdeen route. The airport management will have negotiated this route with Loganair. The phrase 'sh 1tting on your own door step' springs to mind.


As for MME-NWI......seriously?
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 21:13
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Quotes from Mr Gill about the future.

Will Loganair stop the decline of Durham Tees Valley Airport? This and 3 other key questions answered - Gazette Live
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 21:35
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Originally Posted by The Flying Stool View Post


As for MME-NWI......seriously?
I wouldn't be so dismissive. Logan have a decent network heading north from Norwich already, they know the market. There is no current service from Norwich to the north-east, and travel by road or rail is a pain. The service gives BMI/Logan a third daily flight between Norwich and Aberdeen, and will probably prop up the afternoon service between Aberdeen and MME.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 21:53
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You have to wonder just how much longer can Eastern survive with those clapped out J41s anyway, perhaps all Loganair are doing is speeding up the inevitable
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 22:09
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So Eastern look like they have taken immediate action - no J32 from AIS Airlines operting MME-ABZ now and back up to 4 daily from September on Monday and Thursday's.

Also according to Norwich airport website BMI regional are codesharing so BMI return to MME!
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 22:10
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Well, the Loganair Saab 340s are not exactly factory-fresh either...
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 22:12
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There is a sizeable market between DTV and Aberdeen that is currently being stifled by Eastern's high fares, and probably recent reliability issues don't help either. I know (my dad is one) a lot of oil/gas industry personnel currently travel by road/rail as it is more economical to do so. Obviously for Norwich there is no other option at present, but I'd expect it to do fairly well out of the (somewhat smaller) amount of offshore workers travelling to Norwich.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 22:27
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I think this gives T3 a good excuse to exit DTV in the near future and will loganair make enough to keep going long term.
I fear in 12-18mths time DTV will have KLM only
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 22:35
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I notice in Eastern's booking system everything has reverted to a J41 on MME-ABZ, presumably taking the leased J32 elsewhere now so they can fight with their own resources
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 23:05
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Originally Posted by virginblue
Well, the Loganair Saab 340s are not exactly factory-fresh either...
No, but considerably more reliable

Originally Posted by HH6702
I think this gives T3 a good excuse to exit DTV in the near future
Looks like they're not going down without a fight

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I fear in 12-18mths time DTV will have KLM only
That's the risk, but I'm starting to believe it's one that's well worth taking. Besides this is aviation, everything is a risk!
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 01:28
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I could see Belfast City coming out of this later on down the line, I wonder if they might also consider MME-IOM to indirectly compete with Eastern from Newcastle.

A part of me would also love to see a Loganair/Bmir co-operation to Bristol, say x2 daily ERJ135/145. I bet there would be a good few that would snap up a day return from MME as opposed to an enforced overnight trip by EZY from NCL.

Part of me also wishes this one had gone to Newcastle, as Norwich was the second most sought after domestic route from NCL, after Manchester.

I wonder if MME-MAN could ever work? If they could codeshare with Etihad, Cathay, Hainan, Singapore, United, even Thomas Cook and or Virgin... On a 30-odd seat Saab 340 I really don't think that would be too out of the question. Except I bet a lot of current MME pax have KLM loyalty, so convincing them to take Loganair via Manchester might be a struggle.

Another long shot would be if Eastern/Flybe decided to pair up and operate MME-SEN if they felt that Loganair might be tempted into opening up a MME-London route.

I do worry that this will all fall apart, but I could also see things hotting up on Teesside and I think first mover advantage will very much come into it.

Fingers crossed things start looking up, I wish MME all the best
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 08:01
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I notice in Eastern's booking system everything has reverted to a J41 on MME-ABZ, presumably taking the leased J32 elsewhere now so they can fight with their own resources
I wonder how they'll crew it?

Just looked at travel in November Aberdeen to Durham and back. Only one option with Eastern on the Weds, all their other flights that day have "sold out" already, and they're 80 more expensive with 5kg less bags.
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 08:07
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EK77WNCL....It could be termed perhaps an oxymoron...(ie contradictory to the point of foolishness) to view the words "hotting up" & "Teeside" in the same line!!...Apologies couldn`t resist..)
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 08:19
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and spelling "Teesside" as "Teeside" could be termed a mistake - apologies, couldn't resist!
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 08:33
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Hehe got me!!!..No excuses but as I have stated on a different thread I am an "Essex geezer"....so apologies for mangling your area names somewhat....))
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 16:36
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2 x 13 APD 1 x 6 + 1 x 10 'facility fees' = 42 just for taxes on a round trip on the new service. The cheapest return fare by train (albeit with a railcard) is 37. Where's the margin for the airline in that lot?
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 16:51
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2 x 13 APD 1 x 6 + 1 x 10 'facility fees' = 42 just for taxes on a round trip on the new service. The cheapest return fare by train (albeit with a railcard) is 37. Where's the margin for the airline in that lot?
The train takes around 4 hours too, compared to about 45 minutes for a flight. As it is a business flight, I guess it depends on how much businesses value their employees time.
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 22:37
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You would assume the airline will have done the maths and deemed the route to have suitable potential, then again I trusted Eastern to have done that with Bristol or BMIBaby to Knock...
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 01:44
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Did Eastern operate MME-BRS?
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 06:13
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Originally Posted by toon22 View Post
2 x 13 APD 1 x 6 + 1 x 10 'facility fees' = 42 just for taxes on a round trip on the new service. The cheapest return fare by train (albeit with a railcard) is 37. Where's the margin for the airline in that lot?
And the train takes how long?
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