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If I am not mistaken, there has only been one ATR72 based at SEN since late January, so we are talking about the aircraft that has been sitting idle since then?
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Yeah, EI-REL is sitting at Southend. It occasionally operates flights in lieu of EI-REM just to make sure it still works, but essentially it is just sitting there waiting for CityJet.
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BRS on the whole already has regional and domestic very well covered, especially through EZY but with others as well. So I'd tend to agree, but would never rule it out completely.
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That's not strictly true. EI-REL is currently the operational aircraft at Southend, with EI-REM away at MGL on maintenance.
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I'm still pretty sure that it's not going into WX colours! I'd bet my house that it will be operating for BE from CWL! With WX scheduling a 72 from CWL from the 30th, I'd expect that they would struggle to afford the much increased cost of operating a 72-5 in terms of lease, fuel and staff; certainly if they are going to head into competition with BE. If anything, I'd expect EI-REI/H to turn up for WX if the agreement isn't/hasn't been terminated. Guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks!
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Oh right. Maybe part of the maintenance will include a repaint into WX colours
I'd be very careful about jumping the gun about any kind of BE operation with a 72 at CWL. All hear say.
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Apologies for posting much the same news on two threads, but twitter is reporting that flybe is withdrawing DUB-LCY with effect from 31 May.
The flybe LCY expansion is starting to look pretty threadbare.
The flybe LCY expansion is starting to look pretty threadbare.
The LCY-DUB route is not bookable after 31 May so its termination seems to be correct. I suspect that will not be the last LCY route that Flybe pull out of before long. The LCY project could largely prove an expensive failure as many had predicted when it was launched. If that happens it certainly won't reflect very well on the management decisions taken by the new brooms last year.
I can see some of the BOH routes going the same way as well.
I can see some of the BOH routes going the same way as well.
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Yes but chaps if they stood around and did absolutely nothing then that would've been wrong too. They've tried something, it hasn't worked in it's entirety. They're not the first airline management to try routes and pull them, and they certainly won't be the last. The UK regional market is saturated, that much is a fact the uk is a tough nut to crack, but what should they do? Pack up their train set and just call it a day?
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Flybe to halt Dublin-Southend flights - RTÉ News
Flybe?s Dublin pricing hike angers passengers (From Echo)
Sadly a bit reminiscent of old Flybe.
Flybe?s Dublin pricing hike angers passengers (From Echo)
Sadly a bit reminiscent of old Flybe.
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The LCY-DUB route is not bookable after 31 May so its termination seems to be correct
For CityJet's sake Flybe's exit (if true) would be timely.
The only difference between DUB and other LCY routes where BE & BAC compete is the presence of an incumbent/other carrier. BA will be in this for the long run, I can see BE facing pressures on the other routes especially EDI and those where BA has stuck it out to see Cityjet off. BE will find the same experience.
I don't that BE will be treated any differently to Cityjet.
Based on the performance of BE on BHD LCY (which is popular), there is no reason why BA would not launch BHD LCY...
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They've tried something, it hasn't worked in it's entirety. They're not the first airline management to try routes and pull them, and they certainly won't be the last
Late May and into June marks the real start of the business conference season, there are over 40 in Dublin alone in June* and heaven knows how many in London. But FlyBE are walking away from that potential trade.
In other words, their timing still sucks.
* March had 15, April about 20, May 30
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What should Flybe do?
Deano777 said: 'They've tried something, it hasn't worked in it's entirety. They're not the first airline management to try routes and pull them, and they certainly won't be the last. The UK regional market is saturated, that much is a fact the uk is a tough nut to crack, but what should they do? Pack up their train set and just call it a day?'
I use Flybe on an almost weekly basis at this time of year from either BHX or EMA. Based on this (which I accept is only anecdotal evidence), I would suggest 3 things:
(i) identifying new routes based on a concept other than randomness (BHX/BOH-Deauville or even BHX-CGN which history tells us has never worked for any operator) and giving them a chance of success. For example, I can't understand why the BHX routes are being pulled as we are about to enter the summer season when they've operated over the winter. OltonPete's stats broadly show decent load factors in winter on, for instance, OPO. So why not carry it on over the summer? Last week a couple behind me on the flight were looking at the destinations from BHX and were toying with the idea of going to FLR in the summer. But, unknown to them, they won't be able to use the service as it has been pulled. Yet there remain 195s sitting on the ground effectively mothballed. Surely some summer routes from BHX and MAN could be launched to meet those leasing costs?
(ii) actually implement what I understand to be a broad strategy of making things a little easier for the customer. There's still too much 'jobsworthiness' at some airports in my view - for example, some handling agents refuse to check in passengers who have not used the self-service check-in machine when the agents are doing nothing. I accept this is the agent company and may even depend on the individual on the day but the customer, I'd suggest, will associate that with Flybe;
(iii) avoid going back on previously declared company policy e.g. the setting up of a 2 aircraft base in Cardiff. I've nothing against Cardiff but this chopping and changing in strategy so soon after the strategy has been declared doesn't really promote confidence. I really can't understand how routes previously pulled when being operated on the lower cost Q400 will make money being operated by a 195.
I'm a pretty loyal Flybe customer and would use them more - if they didn't keep pulling routes (a la bmibaby) and made the experience a tad more pleasurable.
I use Flybe on an almost weekly basis at this time of year from either BHX or EMA. Based on this (which I accept is only anecdotal evidence), I would suggest 3 things:
(i) identifying new routes based on a concept other than randomness (BHX/BOH-Deauville or even BHX-CGN which history tells us has never worked for any operator) and giving them a chance of success. For example, I can't understand why the BHX routes are being pulled as we are about to enter the summer season when they've operated over the winter. OltonPete's stats broadly show decent load factors in winter on, for instance, OPO. So why not carry it on over the summer? Last week a couple behind me on the flight were looking at the destinations from BHX and were toying with the idea of going to FLR in the summer. But, unknown to them, they won't be able to use the service as it has been pulled. Yet there remain 195s sitting on the ground effectively mothballed. Surely some summer routes from BHX and MAN could be launched to meet those leasing costs?
(ii) actually implement what I understand to be a broad strategy of making things a little easier for the customer. There's still too much 'jobsworthiness' at some airports in my view - for example, some handling agents refuse to check in passengers who have not used the self-service check-in machine when the agents are doing nothing. I accept this is the agent company and may even depend on the individual on the day but the customer, I'd suggest, will associate that with Flybe;
(iii) avoid going back on previously declared company policy e.g. the setting up of a 2 aircraft base in Cardiff. I've nothing against Cardiff but this chopping and changing in strategy so soon after the strategy has been declared doesn't really promote confidence. I really can't understand how routes previously pulled when being operated on the lower cost Q400 will make money being operated by a 195.
I'm a pretty loyal Flybe customer and would use them more - if they didn't keep pulling routes (a la bmibaby) and made the experience a tad more pleasurable.