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Old 18th Jun 2017, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
The domestic arrivals process is the norm at most U.K. Airports now, especially with the low cost carriers in play on domestic routes. Every few domestic flights get the special air bridge treatment with the exception of the BA Heathrow flights and occasional Gatwick. Only Heathrow can you almost guarantee an air bridge at the other end. If you just don't like it stop moaning get the train to the SE England for more money, more time and shoddy service. I will stick with good old EDI. It's improving and will get better with the extensions.

Oh and the airport is my anyway near capacity either. It had its peaks but plenary of quieter times too. Bring in the more direct flights.....
Be positive people growth is good....
Is it the norm?

Most UK airports have at least got the domestic baggage screened off from public don't they? I don't recall walking through the departure lounge in LTN, STN, LCY, LHR, LGW, BHD, BFS, MAN or BHX. GLA and EDI, yes, but it seems to be the minority of airports where this happens. Most have a dedicated route that keeps arriving and departing pax separate.

The domestic baggage belts at EDI are pretty unacceptable in this day and age, public access should not be allowed frankly. They had their chance to screen it off for years, but have plonked that silly new check in area there. Why that couldn't have gone where belt 6 is and a new reclaim belt put where the jet 2 check in area is, thus allowing an enclosed baggage reclaim, I don't know, but it seems to be a huge wasted opportunity.

Yes, EDI is growing, but the extensions will only do so much to alleviate the problems.Like you say, it's got it's peaks, but those peaks really do stretch it to the limit. Ques for security were down past the luggage point one day recently and the very next day were re-routed down to beyond the Costa Coffee at International 1. That continued for several days during the peak morning rush. It's no good saying that there are quiet times when the terminal can't cope during the times of high demand. Eventually a significant or total rebuild is going to have to be looked at. Yes, it'll cause huge disruption, but if done in stages the end result will be worth it for a future proof airport. The work being done now will bring them up to where they should have been about 10 years ago, let's be honest. I say this as someone who works at EDI and who supports the airport and the direct routes as much as is practically possible, but a lot of work is needed and pop up check in desks are not the answer.
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 11:14
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Do arriving passengers really go through the departure lounge - i.e. mixing with departing pax after they've been screened?
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 11:25
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Do arriving passengers really go through the departure lounge - i.e. mixing with departing pax after they've been screened?
Yes if you have come in on a domestic flight.
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 12:28
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Do we know the Norwegian load to Stewart?
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 13:22
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Do we know the Norwegian load to Stewart?
Too early for that yet - suspect we will have to wait for the June stats from CAA. The first flight had 120 onboard apparently and there are a few over the next few weeks showing as FULL but it should be noted that the 738s have seats blocked that the MAXs won't when they arrive.
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 22:02
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Originally Posted by inOban
I notice that last night's Delta flight was cancelled. tech or lack of demand?
Looks like it might have gone tech resulting in a long tech delay last night. The reason I say that is that DL's website is showing that there will be 2 flight to and from EDI, with 1 of the 2 crews operating in tomorrow morning are going to arrive, have min rest then operate the 2nd flight ex EDI as it is showing as departing late tomorrow evening.

DL9920 JFK 20:00 EDI 08:15 757
DL0409 JFK 21:15 EDI 09:30 757

DL0209 EDI 11:00 JFK 13:25 757
DL9921 EDI 21:30 JFK 23:50 757

I know that the LHR-EDI flights have been very busy this weekend with flights being operating with over 95% load factor since Friday afternoon which will have made rerouting a bit difficult.
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 14:13
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Originally Posted by inOban
I notice that last night's Delta flight was cancelled. tech or lack of demand?
An extra flight was added today to catch up with the backlog so it wasn't lack of demand.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 10:31
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Major delays at EDI due to significant power failure to main supply and even back up failed. The stack em' high philosophy certainly putting strain on infrastructure again.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 10:40
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Norwegian long haul ex EDI a shambles already this week with significant delays, hopefully not another FlyGlobespan... remember their transatlantic 737 debacles....?
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 11:51
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Norwegian long haul ex EDI a shambles already this week with significant delays, hopefully not another FlyGlobespan... remember their transatlantic 737 debacles....?
Sensationalist nonsense again. An aircraft went tech in the US which caused a cancellation on the return working. DY drafted in a replacement on the UK side for the following day which caused a delay but the service wasn't cancelled. Everything should be back to normal today.

DY aren't the only airline where aircraft have technical issues which cause cancellations.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 16:04
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Some people are just waiting for any bad news at EDI, always hoping something will go wrong or get cancelled. In reality EDI is one of the fastest growing UK airports and are adding quality airlines and routes every year.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 16:09
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If you look further up this page you will see that the Delta flight was a day late after it went tech.

Any news of the first MAX? Wasn't it meant to be tomorrow?
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 16:11
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In reality EDI is one of the fastest growing UK airports and are adding quality airlines and routes every year.
It is. It is just a shame that they are not adding quality infrastructure to go with the growth. The terminal is now a complete shambles with several airlines now being forced to check-in on the equivalent of an upturned travel trunk before customers then need to lug their bags elsewhere to be checked in, and the security experience remains utterly awful on two recent trips through there. It's impossible to judge which queue to join, as the random meandering nature of the tensabarriers invariably ends up with you being diverted off the path that you thought you were going to take.

And it is incredible in this day and age that domestic baggage reclaim is still open to anyone in the building.

Although there is undoubtedly investment in aprons and parking stands this year, the mantra in the terminal seems to be to cram as much as possible into as little space as possible. Still, GIP will be gone just as soon as they can sell EDI and some poor unsuspecting pension or sovereign wealth fund will be stuck with the massive bill to provide the terminal and customer infrastructure that should have been there to cope with current traffic levels.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 17:10
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There is quite a significant terminal expansion due to start soon which I hope will address many of the issues covered. I guess it's been a case of prioritising investment so far.

Security is far far better now though and works very well - I haven't had an issue there for months.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 20:32
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
There is quite a significant terminal expansion due to start soon which I hope will address many of the issues covered. I guess it's been a case of prioritising investment so far.

Security is far far better now though and works very well - I haven't had an issue there for months.
I agree the security seams a lot better now, appears to be more stag and always plenty of lanes open. I have been through twice in the past 7 days and even on Monday morning had a relatively short acceptable wait. Having been to many counties near and far who's security screening is not nearly as though I am reassured buy the checks made and don't mind a few mins wait to get through.

Look forward to the expansion works, hopefully it will bring more space both landslide and airside and I don't agrue that it needs more space especially at check in and domestic arrivals. They are marking the best of what they have.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
It is. It is just a shame that they are not adding quality infrastructure to go with the growth. The terminal is now a complete shambles with several airlines now being forced to check-in on the equivalent of an upturned travel trunk before customers then need to lug their bags elsewhere to be checked in, and the security experience remains utterly awful on two recent trips through there. It's impossible to judge which queue to join, as the random meandering nature of the tensabarriers invariably ends up with you being diverted off the path that you thought you were going to take.

And it is incredible in this day and age that domestic baggage reclaim is still open to anyone in the building.

Although there is undoubtedly investment in aprons and parking stands this year, the mantra in the terminal seems to be to cram as much as possible into as little space as possible. Still, GIP will be gone just as soon as they can sell EDI and some poor unsuspecting pension or sovereign wealth fund will be stuck with the massive bill to provide the terminal and customer infrastructure that should have been there to cope with current traffic levels.
Are you suggesting the airport is up for sale?
Who would have the money to buy it then spend the extra money (if you go by Manchesters example £1 Billion) on a brand new terminal? It would take decades I suspect to recoup that...
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 20:55
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Any expansion of terminal space at EDI will most likely be filled with retail outlets. The shambles that is Edinburgh is no more than a shopping centre with a runway, where passengers are an afterthought till they reach the shops.

I used to pass through the airport 3 or 4 times a week, thank heaven I don't have to do it anymore, twice a year on holiday is more than enough.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 21:11
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Originally Posted by wub
Any expansion of terminal space at EDI will most likely be filled with retail outlets. The shambles that is Edinburgh is no more than a shopping centre with a runway, where passengers are an afterthought till they reach the shops.

I used to pass through the airport 3 or 4 times a week, thank heaven I don't have to do it anymore, twice a year on holiday is more than enough.
Wait and see, I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

There will definitely be a new permanent immigration space and additional gates with gate rooms which are linked directly to immigration. The extension should also allow an expanded check-in and baggage areas.
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I've flown through there twice in the last four weeks and on both occasions, security has been awful. On the first occasion, queues to get into the magic tensabarrier maze stretched back to the top of the escalators from check-in. On the second, queues were slightly shorter but took longer to get through and everyone had to navigate their way around a slick of iced mocca-frappa-crappa-chino from Starbucks on the floor in tensa-barrier-land which none of the airport staff (to whom this was clearly vislble) appeared remotely bothered about. The place is a total disgrace.

The whole airport reeks of efforts to cram as much into as little infrastucture as possible to maximise ROI at the expense of customer experience and achieve a sale.
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Originally Posted by wub
The shambles that is Edinburgh is no more than a shopping centre with a runway, where passengers are an afterthought till they reach the shops.
Sorry but you've just described pretty much every airport in the UK there. I'm not sure why EDI is constantly singled out for this criticism, especially now that it is investing in decent terminal expansion, has got its act together on security and is having huge success in bringing in new routes (which is what airports are meant to do, and frankly the dismissive "pile 'em high" rhetoric is starting to look like envious twaddle).

It also appears that EDI management got on top of the power outage very quickly, in sharp contrast to the BA debacle at LHR a little while ago. Also, Norwegian is one of Europe's largest and most successful airlines. Comparisons with Globespan are frankly ridiculous.
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