EDINBURGH - 2

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by willy wombat

Does anyone actually have O and D figures showing what traffic actually exists between China and EDI (or all of Scotland) via all the various routings possible (Gulf, London, AMS etc etc) plus how much of that traffic is European multi centre (so wouldn't benefit from a direct Scottish link) plus how many various Chinese cities this traffic originates from. If you have, please post it and we can all then see how realistic a Chinese link is.

There are figures on the EDI route shop page under the various Chinese destinations.

http://www.therouteshop.com/profiles/edinburgh-airport/

[sf01]

According to routesonline Sabre estimates both GLA and EDI were circa 20k Chinese O and D passengers.
http://http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/269314/uk-airports-vie-for-new-routes-after-relaxation-of-uk-china-bilateral/

[willy wombat]

I am grateful to you for directing me to the EDI route shop page which I had not seen before. Given that a direct China flight would capture maybe 25% of the market, it is difficult to see any business case for one (but I will happily eat my proverbial hat if proved wrong). I could however certainly see the case for a short summer season of charters, maybe like the KE charters at GLA. On the other hand, I am surprised there is not more Orlando flying from EDI when you look at the potential market size.

[Skipness One Echo]

EDI is a funny beast, Air Transat kept EDI-YYZ at once per week for years then simply gave up and concentrated on GLA. Air Canada took the opposite decision, they returned to the Scottish market not via their old West Coast stomping ground(s) but via EDI and it remains at a higher frequency than the re-started GLA.
I agree Florida and long haul summer sun remains comparably under-served but GLA currently has the better facilities for long haul hands down.

[CraigJay]

13 new Ryanair routes to Edinburgh.
Budapest, Carcassonne, Eindhoven, Baden-Baden, Hamburg, Katowice, Nantes, Prague, Szczecin, Toulouse, Treviso, Valencia, Wroclaw.

[inOban]

The increase in number of routes seems much larger than the predicted increase in PAX. I wonder if some other routes have been dropped for W17? Not surprisingly, MOL won't be trumpeting that - we'll have to wait until everything is loaded.

[01475]

I wonder if some of those routes are transferring from Glasgow?

Originally Posted by inOban

The increase in number of routes seems much larger than the predicted increase in PAX. I wonder if some other routes have been dropped for W17? Not surprisingly, MOL won't be trumpeting that - we'll have to wait until everything is loaded.

[GoEDI]

The increase in number of routes seems much larger than the predicted increase in PAX. I wonder if some other routes have been dropped for W17? Not surprisingly, MOL won't be trumpeting that - we'll have to wait until everything is loaded.

Not necessarily dropped routes, but there are always seasonal suspensions that's the norm. When they announced S17 they claimed 38 routes. They state 38 routes for W17 too even though they've just announced 13 additional destinations, taking it to 51 total. So expect 13 routes not to operate during W17.

BZR, BRE, CFU, GOT, HHN, KUN, MRS, PSA and PIS are all seasonal already. That leaves 4 other routes not operating in W17 to be confirmed. I'd say most likely to be IBZ and GRO, plus perhaps OPO and VGO. That would leave BGY as the only new S17 route to continue into winter. But we shall see once everything is loaded and on sale...

[Wycombe]

The online timetable on flybe.com looks very out-of-date

This now looks to be sorted, with BGO, EGC and NQY now showing.

[LAX_LHR]

Vueling have cancelled Paris Orly flights from this summer.

[inOban]

Between Vueling and Transavia Orly was grossly oversupplied. And TO presumably use their flights to feed into their longhaul services, especially to W Africa.

[inOban]

I wonder how long it will take EDI to take the Vueling flights off their website....

Even Vueling still lists Orly as having direct flights. It just that if you call up a date, you only get indirect ones.

[rutankrd]

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TO presumably use their flights to feed into their longhaul services, especially to W Africa

Na it's a tourist/student flight pure and simple.

No offers of connections to anywhere on a single docket.
Transavia France tap the heavy Maroccan Diaspora of Paris itself and the only West African city served is Dakar another point of VFR traffic from Paris - Little if any connecting traffic is necessary to fill these flights out of Paris.

African connections are most certainly NOT a deciding factor of these services.

Regards Vueling and a few others I think there is a need to be careful as a trend of cancelation/delay and some withdrawals seems to be going on across the UK industry right now.
We need to be watchful because there may well be consolidations if booking are weak in the run up to easter.

The weakened pounds (buying power) could see significant slow down in growth towards the middle and in Q4 imho.

BTW parent AirFrance long haul offering from Orly is one flight a day to JFK and high density flights to the overseas territories (effectively domestic) in the Caribbean and Indian Ocean along side the internal domestic operations.

The transit and connecting opportunities remain with AirFance/Hop on the three daily flights to/from CDG.

[inOban]

You're quite right. When the route was launched by both airlines last year I thought that I had found lots of useful onwards connections, but I should have checked before I posted.

I think you are also right about the likelihood of consolidations. I think that Vueling have put on sale many more routes and flights than they had the resources to fly, just to test the market. Or their bosses at IAG have put their foot down on flying at a loss.

[inOban]

Norwegian focuses on mid-size US cities for new Atlantic services | Airports & Routes content from ATWOnline

[Severn]

From CH-Aviation:

PowdAir (Sion) is a virtual carrier looking to offer direct flights from various UK, Dutch, and Belgian airports to Sion located in the heart of Switzerland’s most popular winter sports region, the Valais.

The start-up said in a statement that effective December 17 onwards, it will offer flights from Sion to each of London Southend, Bournemouth, Southampton, Bristol Int'l, Manchester Int'l and Edinburgh in the UK as well as Brussels in Belgium, and Rotterdam in the Netherlands. Operations are on-board two Fokker 100s chartered from Croatia's Trade Air (C3, Zagreb).

Transfers from Sion to the ski resorts of Verbier, Zermatt, Crans-Montana, Zinal-Grimentz, Leukerbad and Anzère will be available.

[CraigJay]

Will Norweigan announce the transatlantic routes from Edinburgh along with the Irish routes today?.

[840]

They already have

Newsdesk - Norwegian

[A350Saltire]

Great news

Double-daily transatlantic flights from Edinburgh from £69. From 15th June 2017, Norwegian will launch new direct services from Edinburgh to three US airports - Stewart International Airport, Providence Airport, and Bradley International Airport - all offering simple and affordable connections to New York, Boston and New England. Fares start from £69 one way.

Edinburgh – 14 transatlantic flights per week from £69:

• Stewart Intl (New York) – daily flights. Depart Edinburgh 17:15, arrive Stewart 20:00
  
• Providence (greater Boston) – 4x weekly flights (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun). Depart Edinburgh 17:30, arrive Providence 20:10
  
• Bradley Intl (New England/Connecticut) – 3x weekly flights (Tues, Thurs, Sat). Depart Edinburgh 17:40, arrive Bradley 20:20

http://media.norwegian.com/uk/#/pres...cities-1823267

[inOban]

The evening schedule is interesting. Will suit FR connections if/when they get that sorted. The early departures of the existing carriers makes them inconvenient for anyone who doesn't live near EDI.