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You may well be right. I guess I'm a glass half full/optimist; you are a glass half empty/realist. You missed one significant advantage of KEF - from there you can reach much of North America with 737/320 a/c, while even with the next generation of these a/c EDI will only reach the East coast.
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Must take exception to your statement that "most regional airports" are struggling with TA traffic and the mis-leading statement that only 25% of LHR transit traffic has MAN as a destination, inferring that MAN does not attract as many TA travellers as EDI.
MAN has 10+ scheduled flights to the US most mornings on scheduled airlines (excluding Thomson holiday flights)
NY : United x1, American x1, Thos Cook x 1
Orlando : Thos Cook x 1, Virgin Atlantic x1
Atlanta : Virgin Atlantic x 1
Philadelphia : American x 1
Las Vegas : Virgin Atlantic x 1
Miami : Thos Cook x 1
Chicago : American x 1
Houston : Singapore x 4 weekly
Both Virgin and Thos Cook have new West Coast destinations starting in 2017, and both usually increase their schedules during the summer season; also, it is anticipated that SQ will go daily to Houston sometime next year following the introduction of the A350 onto the route early in 2017. Added to this, there are seasonal services to Canada on a couple of airlines, and numerous services to the Caribbean, both seasonal and year-round.
Now please explain to me why should anyone heading for MAN need to transit elsewhere?
MAN has 10+ scheduled flights to the US most mornings on scheduled airlines (excluding Thomson holiday flights)
NY : United x1, American x1, Thos Cook x 1
Orlando : Thos Cook x 1, Virgin Atlantic x1
Atlanta : Virgin Atlantic x 1
Philadelphia : American x 1
Las Vegas : Virgin Atlantic x 1
Miami : Thos Cook x 1
Chicago : American x 1
Houston : Singapore x 4 weekly
Both Virgin and Thos Cook have new West Coast destinations starting in 2017, and both usually increase their schedules during the summer season; also, it is anticipated that SQ will go daily to Houston sometime next year following the introduction of the A350 onto the route early in 2017. Added to this, there are seasonal services to Canada on a couple of airlines, and numerous services to the Caribbean, both seasonal and year-round.
Now please explain to me why should anyone heading for MAN need to transit elsewhere?
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You are selling Manchester short on your list. New York add Delta, add Washington with UA,
Orlando is more like 2 VS many days also add LAX, SFO, BOS next year IAD is 5 weekly
probably daily next year,
You are selling Manchester short on your list. New York add Delta, add Washington with UA,
Orlando is more like 2 VS many days also add LAX, SFO, BOS next year IAD is 5 weekly
probably daily next year,
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I think the main thought here was that many more folks in America will have heard of Edinburgh than Manchester. London and Edinburgh are by far and away the main places people talk about visiting in Britain. Not that they won't go or fly to other places, but they are the most well known. Edinburgh need more routes in that don't involve changing at other hubs.
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Apologies if I didn't make myself clear. I sincerely believe that MAN is on the verge of becoming a major international hub, but you have to distinguish between the number of TA services, and whether the PAX on these are starting from MAN, or starting from the other side. The range of US destinations suggests that most PAX are going on holiday, but this could be transformed if one of the airline alliances decides to make MAN a hub.
Particularly for Premium PAX, so important to the viability of a route, inbound business is vital. I think that is why all 4 US services from EDI are continuing/R.
Particularly for Premium PAX, so important to the viability of a route, inbound business is vital. I think that is why all 4 US services from EDI are continuing/R.
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I'm not sure the relevance of whether Edinburgh is a "destination" or not has to do with its potential to become a transit hub. In a transit hub, it is neither the destination or the origin of the passengers - it is just a transit point. In theory anywhere can become a transit point.
However, to become a successful transit point, it helps if there is also a strong O/D demand. Notice I said origin and destination - it is irrelevant which direction they are travelling from. Manchester has far higher demand for transatlantic passengers than Edinburgh does, and with Norwegian also looking at moving into MAN, then this is far more likely to become a transit hub than EDI is, although it still falls a long way behind LGW.
However, to become a successful transit point, it helps if there is also a strong O/D demand. Notice I said origin and destination - it is irrelevant which direction they are travelling from. Manchester has far higher demand for transatlantic passengers than Edinburgh does, and with Norwegian also looking at moving into MAN, then this is far more likely to become a transit hub than EDI is, although it still falls a long way behind LGW.
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You're probably right. The only advantage of D over O PAX is in resilience to changes in the economies of the O and D. If it becomes too expensive for us to travel, then TA will depend on inbound traffic. Obviously with the lunatics having taken over the asylum at both ends....
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In theory anywhere can become a transit point.
MAN does well but lacks a dominant local carrier for inbound feed to align with.
DUB does way better in that space as it has EI as the local (flag) carrier.
EDI will remain overwhelmingly p2p as it lacks a strong local carrier to focus around, this is not a criticism of EDI btw.
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Completely agree with the previous comment. To be a really big airport you need a flagship carrier or similar based there. Even Manchester will find it hard to grow above a certain level without one. And Edinburgh has no chance of becoming a hub without one.
Also no criticism of EDI, it's not the airport's fault.
Also no criticism of EDI, it's not the airport's fault.
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EI
EI will increase DUB from 4-5 to 5-7 daily next summer.
06.40/08.20
07.40/09.30 * trailed for few dates over last summer due to high T/A pax
09.55/11.35
13.10/15.00
14.25/16.15
15.40/17.25 - Thur/Fri/Sun from 18 May
18.00/19.50 - Not on Sat
06.40/08.20
07.40/09.30 * trailed for few dates over last summer due to high T/A pax
09.55/11.35
13.10/15.00
14.25/16.15
15.40/17.25 - Thur/Fri/Sun from 18 May
18.00/19.50 - Not on Sat
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Probably a result of the Ryanair reduction.
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FR flights are same as 2016. If you have ever taking the first flights of day you would see they are full T/A passengers.
EDI is probally number 3 or 4 for bussiest UK transit route. If they had 320 slack I wouldn't rule out seeing it return or WX takeover.
EDI is probally number 3 or 4 for bussiest UK transit route. If they had 320 slack I wouldn't rule out seeing it return or WX takeover.
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It appears that the Flybe Belfast service will be operated by a Belfast-based a/c from S17, so an earlier arrival in EDI but a first arrival in Belfast 9.20.
EI will increase DUB from 4-5 to 5-7 daily next summer.
06.40/08.20
07.40/09.30 * trailed for few dates over last summer due to high T/A pax
09.55/11.35
13.10/15.00
14.25/16.15
15.40/17.25 - Thur/Fri/Sun from 18 May
18.00/19.50 - Not on Sat
06.40/08.20
07.40/09.30 * trailed for few dates over last summer due to high T/A pax
09.55/11.35
13.10/15.00
14.25/16.15
15.40/17.25 - Thur/Fri/Sun from 18 May
18.00/19.50 - Not on Sat
Creating room in the EDI flying schedule for LHR perhaps...?
Whilst the ATRs are undoubtedly efficient and cost effective aircraft to operate, I can't help but think that it would be worth their while to put A320s back on the route on certain flights like at BHX/MAN if demand is that strong, rather than operating flights barely an hour apart. Especially as the volume of luggage (Americans and their golf bags!) on the most popular flights for US connections can put a strain on the ATR's capabilities at times.
Whilst the ATRs are undoubtedly efficient and cost effective aircraft to operate, I can't help but think that it would be worth their while to put A320s back on the route on certain flights like at BHX/MAN if demand is that strong, rather than operating flights barely an hour apart. Especially as the volume of luggage (Americans and their golf bags!) on the most popular flights for US connections can put a strain on the ATR's capabilities at times.
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I'm thinking that the Flybe switch to Belfast may be so that they are flying in opposite direction to EZY. If you need a red-eye into EDI, use Flybe; if you need early into Belfast, use EZY.
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What gives with the check-in area?
Passed through EDI for the first time in over a year last week. What the heck is going on in the check-in area? Main entrance doors closed and passengers routed through a small double door in the corner at domestic arrivals, temporary-looking BA check-in pedestal thingies and self-label baggage machines stuck out in the middle of the concourse. Definitely not something which tells people that Edinburgh Airport is a modern efficient air terminal. It's a mess !
Someone please tell me it's temporary while they redevelop the check-in area.
Someone please tell me it's temporary while they redevelop the check-in area.
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The main doors are closed to try and keep the heat in the check-in hall. If you are working one of the desks or pods directly opposite the doors, you may as well be outside it has been so cold. The pods are not temporary, they are here to stay. GIP management believe this is the way ahead instead of building a check-in hall with enough desks to cover all airlines the decision was taken to move some airlines to pods. Due to limited space the pods have been placed all over the hall and in every conceivable corner so the whole area looks very unprofessional. As for actually working for 8 hours on the pods,,,,that is another story !!!
