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60% domestic PAX? A bit out of date. Last year it was less than 47%, and it will be even lower this year, with domestic static at best and international rising very rapidly.
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It's still 5.2m Dom pax which ok I concede is down to 47% but compared to BHX which is about 12% or 1.2m Pax, Edinburgh is still very reliant on Domestic pax and the footfall for their shopping mall. There's not going to be 5.2m new intl pax to fill the old terminal any day soon. This is why the problems of the common departure area brings I.e. Airside transfers are prohibited for international arrivals is here to stay. The only solution I can see involves a lot of money & completely rebuilding the airport. The current add a little bit here and there hasn't been a success in promoting a pleasant pax experience. The cow shed at IA2 & central search have been disaster for the airports image (see the pax comments left at GLA & even I've seen at LGW comparing how much better security was than EDI). I believe the airport is planning to rebuild central search again after only two summers in operation, IA2 rebuilding which was meant to be replaced next year will be in 2020 and another piecemeal building. It's always great boasting about pax numbers, growth here, growth there oh and new flight to wherever but the airport is in a shocking state from check-in, security, shopping mall, to lack of air bridges & arrival halls. I experience the airport 200 days a year but I just don't wear rose tinted glasses. Look at MUC, DXB, LHR TN2 & TN5 & many other airports.
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It's still 5.2m Dom pax which ok I concede is down to 47% but compared to BHX which is about 12% or 1.2m Pax, Edinburgh is still very reliant on Domestic pax and the footfall for their shopping mall. There's not going to be 5.2m new intl pax to fill the old terminal any day soon. This is why the problems of the common departure area brings I.e. Airside transfers are prohibited for international arrivals is here to stay. The only solution I can see involves a lot of money & completely rebuilding the airport. The current add a little bit here and there hasn't been a success in promoting a pleasant pax experience. The cow shed at IA2 & central search have been disaster for the airports image (see the pax comments left at GLA & even I've seen at LGW comparing how much better security was than EDI). I believe the airport is planning to rebuild central search again after only two summers in operation, IA2 rebuilding which was meant to be replaced next year will be in 2020 and another piecemeal building. It's always great boasting about pax numbers, growth here, growth there oh and new flight to wherever but the airport is in a shocking state from check-in, security, shopping mall, to lack of air bridges & arrival halls. I experience the airport 200 days a year but I just don't wear rose tinted glasses. Look at MUC, DXB, LHR TN2 & TN5 & many other airports.
You are right though, a significant amount of investment will be required to bring the arrivals process up to scratch such is the state it was left in by BAA. There is a huge opportunity with the next extension to transform the arrivals process while at the same time clearing space in the existing terminal to expand check-in. The extension will not be small by any stretch of the imagination.
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Just my ha'peth of opinion, and I only use EDI about twice a year for my Orkney fix, but EDI doesn't seem bad at all compared to my local, NCL. It's a shame that they have now gone down the route followed by other UK airports (with the possible exception of Sanday) and made you take an 800-yard loop around a shopping centre before actually getting to the departures lounge, but that is an irritation rather than a serious showstopper. Like I say, I only use it infrequently but I have been through in early weekday mornings and it wasn't too bad at all.
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September figures were 38.5% domestic; international pax had increased 21.5% since last year whereas domestic pax were down 2.5%.;
September passenger figures show substantial international growth | Edinburgh Airport
September passenger figures show substantial international growth | Edinburgh Airport
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Criticism of EDI's security debacle in 2015 were justified but the shortcomings now appear to be remedied. According to this article, EDI is the UK’s second fastest airport from check-in to departure;
Skyscanner reveals UK?s fastest airports check-in to departure | Scotland B2B Magazine
Skyscanner reveals UK?s fastest airports check-in to departure | Scotland B2B Magazine
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Criticism of EDI's security debacle in 2015 were justified but the shortcomings now appear to be remedied. According to this article, EDI is the UK’s second fastest airport from check-in to departure;
Despite this, I was through the metal detectors 5 minutes later. Incredibly efficient. My second trip through a few weeks later was a bit later in the day - mid morning, and security was much quieter. Still through in under 5 minutes.
I'm a big fan. The system is incredibly efficient, and far better than most other airports, both UK and abroad. I particularly appreciate the fact there are 5 stations at the conveyor belt - my pet hate is LHR T5 with the 2 spots at the belt - you always seem to get stuck behind two people who have never travelled before in their life, and 10 minutes just to undress and unpack their bag. At least at EDI the line is kept moving as you bypass the slower passengers.
On that second trip I was transiting through Amsterdam, so popped up to the viewing deck on the way back. I went to pass through security at around 8pm, and was delighted to see there was no queue just two people ahead of me unpacking their bags. It took 20 minutes to get through - must have been training day!
I'll take EDI security any day!
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My last early morning flight saw me sitting down for a coffee in departures with over 2 hours to spare when I had planned to only arrive at the airport for the 2 hours. A combination of no traffic problems and a quick exit through security meant I had loads of time. Just as well we also departed on time!
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What physical changes were made to get from the appalling start to it actually working way better? My experience last time was the enormous amount of re-screening? How did they change this for the better? Be good to learn IMHO.
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From memory, there was recruitment of additional staff and no doubt a fair bit of staff systems and process training/rejiggery to get it working as intended - with sufficient lines operating.
That seems to have worked extremely well. They're confident enough to put a live security queue time ticker on their website. It feels cramped and lacking in natural light - but that is a vibe - in reality, it processes people very quickly.
There's no doubt they're milking the retail strategy and need to press on with terminal expansion but in reality, it is for most people still quite a quick and not at all unpleasant airport to use.
That seems to have worked extremely well. They're confident enough to put a live security queue time ticker on their website. It feels cramped and lacking in natural light - but that is a vibe - in reality, it processes people very quickly.
There's no doubt they're milking the retail strategy and need to press on with terminal expansion but in reality, it is for most people still quite a quick and not at all unpleasant airport to use.
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Interesting contributions from a variety of posters - a forum at its best.
It is clear that while EDI will always have a large domestic component to its PAX, it has now reached the stage where its Intl business predominates, and its terminal arrangements should reflect this.
In particular, there is I believe, a major opportunity for transit business between Eastern Europe and transatlantic destinations (why should KEF get all this business), so the transfer arrangements clearly need to be improved.
It is clear that while EDI will always have a large domestic component to its PAX, it has now reached the stage where its Intl business predominates, and its terminal arrangements should reflect this.
In particular, there is I believe, a major opportunity for transit business between Eastern Europe and transatlantic destinations (why should KEF get all this business), so the transfer arrangements clearly need to be improved.
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What has that got to do with it?
Edinburgh has a limited number of transatlantic flights and you are talking about transit passengers from Eastern Europe. It's not a serious contender for that type of operation. There are just too many bigger airports that offer that or in the case of Iceland an interesting one but it still has based airlines feeding into it and out again. Also cheaply!
Edinburgh has a limited number of transatlantic flights and you are talking about transit passengers from Eastern Europe. It's not a serious contender for that type of operation. There are just too many bigger airports that offer that or in the case of Iceland an interesting one but it still has based airlines feeding into it and out again. Also cheaply!
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Iceland has a population of 330,000. It has developed, and is continuing to rapidly grow, large passenger numbers from a combination of destination and transit PAX, and from legacy (Icelandair) and LCC (Easyjet, WOW) airlines.
Scotland has a population of over 5 million, and EDI, like no other UK airport apart from LHR, is a destination. That is why its TA services are surviving when others from 'regional' airports are struggling. Perhaps if/when Norwegian arrive, and if EDI invest in pre-clearance, we could find that EDI becomes the KEF of the North? Why not?
Scotland has a population of over 5 million, and EDI, like no other UK airport apart from LHR, is a destination. That is why its TA services are surviving when others from 'regional' airports are struggling. Perhaps if/when Norwegian arrive, and if EDI invest in pre-clearance, we could find that EDI becomes the KEF of the North? Why not?
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At LHR, half their PAX are starting their trip, while for half London is the destination.
At other major UK airports, 75% are starting: only 25% have MAN or GLA as a destination.
But for EDI, 60% are starting, and 40% have EDI as their destination.
I, and the airport, think is quite significant.
At other major UK airports, 75% are starting: only 25% have MAN or GLA as a destination.
But for EDI, 60% are starting, and 40% have EDI as their destination.
I, and the airport, think is quite significant.
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At LHR, half their PAX are starting their trip, while for half London is the destination.
At other major UK airports, 75% are starting: only 25% have MAN or GLA as a destination.
But for EDI, 60% are starting, and 40% have EDI as their destination.
I, and the airport, think is quite significant.
At other major UK airports, 75% are starting: only 25% have MAN or GLA as a destination.
But for EDI, 60% are starting, and 40% have EDI as their destination.
I, and the airport, think is quite significant.
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From my admittedly limited experience of EDI, I can say that this is true. In the departure lounge at NCL you will struggle to hear an accent from outside a 50 mile radius of Woolsington. At EDI it's full of people who are visiting from foreign parts.
Sorry for keeping chipping in, but I think an outside perspective can be useful
Sorry for keeping chipping in, but I think an outside perspective can be useful
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Edinburgh isn't and won't be anytime soon a big transit hub.
Trying to extrapolate that because Edinburgh is bigger than Iceland it will become a point of transit is nonsense. That's too simplistic.
No based carriers and it's transatlantic offerings are limited and not all year round.
A huge number of visitors to Edinburgh are in the domestic figures because they arrive on BA flights etc from the London area not directly from overseas.
Anyone that's flown up from London will testify to that.
I am sure someone could produce exact figures but the busiest routes are probably still mostly domestic.
Trying to extrapolate that because Edinburgh is bigger than Iceland it will become a point of transit is nonsense. That's too simplistic.
No based carriers and it's transatlantic offerings are limited and not all year round.
A huge number of visitors to Edinburgh are in the domestic figures because they arrive on BA flights etc from the London area not directly from overseas.
Anyone that's flown up from London will testify to that.
I am sure someone could produce exact figures but the busiest routes are probably still mostly domestic.
Last edited by Homo Simpson; 19th Nov 2016 at 08:13.