EDINBURGH - 2

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

Interesting DOH still just 67% loads, thought it might have significantly improved. Wonder if its high yielding Avios'ers supporting or cargo. Is it daily summer and back to 5 times week Winter this year? Great prices with both QR and EY ex EDI.

There have been great prices with all three ME carriers from Scotland lately! QR and EY will be slow burners but are no doubt nibbling away at EK's dominant position given that they have shown negative growth during the last two months at GLA. Of course, they will also be nibbling away at EDI's other hub carriers too.

QR is daily year round now.

[A350Saltire]

Just looking at Delta's website - the JFK to EDI route appears to have been upguaged from a 752 to a 763 from June to September this year.

[VickersVicount]

I was just looking at another forum and saw it first posted... what a coincidence...
Seems to be a borrow until a replacement for IST is announced.
Theres going to be a lot of empty seats. None of the three NYC roytes last year ran anywhere near full.

[mwm991]

How did the other Scottish TATL routes do? ORD, PHI, MCO/SFB, LAS, YYZ etc?

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by mwm991

How did the other Scottish TATL routes do? ORD, PHI, MCO/SFB, LAS, YYZ etc?

During the summer months the TATL services from EDI are very well used so using a larger aircraft makes sense. Last August UA had a load factor of 86% on the double daily EWR service on 757s whereas the daily 757 to ORD had a load factor of 87%. The new AA connection to JFK recorded 79%. I think DL know what they are doing.

I understand that outwith the summer months the 757 will be used.

[CabinCrewe]

VickersVicount
Yes, Surprised at jump in capacity given that 1 in 5 seats at height of Edinburgh festival last year were empty. As you say just making productive use until redeployed.

[LandingConfig]

The majority of TATL routes from GLA and EDI was very busy based on CAA stats.

In the peak of summer there will be approximately 1,462 seats per day between EDI and NYC.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

VickersVicount
Yes, Surprised at jump in capacity given that 1 in 5 seats at height of Edinburgh festival last year were empty. As you say just making productive use until redeployed.

Or more likely providing capacity to meet demand. There are plenty of other places they could have sent a 767 after all.

Probably also worthwhile noting that the combined passenger numbers from UA to EWR and ORD plus AA to JFK last August was 34,817. Not bad at all really. The combined load factor for all of these services was around 84%.

[GoEDI]

An upgrade before the route has even commenced can only be good news. DL have one of the most diverse route networks going, plenty other places this aircraft could have been sent. Demand must be strong.

Theres going to be a lot of empty seats. None of the three NYC roytes last year ran anywhere near full.

Disagree. EDI and GLA both record consistently high load factors to EWR year round, as can be verified by CAA data. AA JFK was a new route last year but did well enough and must've performed satisfactorily as it is operating an extended season this year.
DL should do fine, especially as this is as much about them maintaining market share after the demise of VSLR, and providing skyteam members with a more direct option than via CDG/AMS as it is trying to poach from other carriers. The upgrade says it all tbh, they're obviously not worried.

[Skipness One Echo]

Delta were beaten off both EDI-ATL and EDI-JFK by a Continental who got the Scottish market in a way DL didn't. I would suggest this is simply an attempt to take as much market share as possible in year one, in an attempt to see which one of UA/AA blinks first.

Of course it may be there's room for all in high summer but outside that, Scotland has been, and remains very seasonl to North America. Any summer bloodbath on yields will affect strategic direction for the next year. i.e. "Should we redeploy this asset somewhere more profitable?"

[BAladdy]

LS S17 Schedule

LS have released there S17 schedule. Details of changes below

New Routes

Girona - 2 x weekly seasonal service runs between 28APR17 and 23OCT17
Murcia - 2 x weekly seasonal service runs between 31MAR17 to 25SEP17. This route has op from EDI before but was dropped at the end of S15
Naples - Weekly seasonal service runs between 29APR17 and 27OCT17

Frequency Increases

Alicante - Will op up to 8 x weekly, compared to up to 6 x weekly S16
Faro - Will op up to 6 x weekly, compared to up to 5 x weekly S16
Fuerteventura - Route added for W16/17, becomes year round with frequency increased to 2 x weekly
Las Palmas - Will op 2 x weekly compared to weekly in S16
Malaga - Will op up to 6 x weekly compared to 5 x weekly S16
Palma - Will op up to 8 x weekly compared to 7 x weekly in S16
Pula - Will op 2 x weekly, compared to weekly in S16
Split - Will op 2 x weekly, compared to weekly in S16

Frequency Decreases

Ibiza - Will op up to 4 x weekly compared to up to 6 x weekly S16
Venice - Will op 3 x weekly compared to 4 x weekly S16

Destinations Not Available for S17

Dalaman - Weekly service op in S16, not available to book for S17

Further changes are highly likely in the months to come.

Info correct as at 18:00/27APR16

[4eyed anorak]

Further growth for EDI

April 2016 April 2015 % change

Domestic 422,323 431,838 -2.2%

International 586,293 495,371 +18.4%

Total 1,009,529 928,329 +8.7%

M.A.T 11,520,344 10,391,013 +10.9

Regards 4ea

[goldeneye]

Norwegian looking at US flights

Interesting development as I'd have thought Manchester or Birmingham would have been the next step.

Norwegian Air to launch low-cost Edinburgh-US routes in 2017 - Edinburgh Evening News

[willy wombat]

This doesn't surprise me. I was at a lunch in London a couple of months ago where the speaker was the CEO of Norwegian and he was very clear about his philosophy which is, as far as possible, to link destinations both of which are attractive to tourists so that he gets demand in both directions on a route. As such, whether or not some of us might not like it, US tourists are more likely to be attracted to visit EDI than GLA/MAN/BHX etc so EDI was always likely to get the nod as the second UK departure point after London. At the same lunch he also said that if LGW gets a second runway he will build up to a fleet of 50 787s based there plus a multitude of 737s.

[CraigJay]

Will they use the 737 to the east coast and the 787 to the west coast?.

[willy wombat]

No idea but they are planning 737 ORK BOS (this could be due runway limitations at ORK)

[LAX_LHR]

Interesting development as I'd have thought Manchester or Birmingham would have been the next step.

As far as I know, all 3 airports will be launched in quick succession, it's just obviously the EDI news is breaking first. I expect the other 2 airports publicity to follow soon.

[gopaisleygo]

Excellent news for Edinburgh and their successful team thinking out the box beyond euro routes. Great news also for Scottish tourism in general and options for outbound pax to additional US destinations. EDI is very accessible and should easily attract many outbound pax from the central belt as well as the east coast and north England. Scotlands long haul gateway soon???

[Skipness One Echo]

The term "long haul gateway" died in 1989 with PIK and "Gateway Scotland".
Great catch for EDI if true but they really need to put in more gates, airbridges and contact gates. International Arrivals are often sub-par from a passeenger experience.

[gopaisleygo]

True SOE, still great news for Scotland though. Role on terminal investment at EDI, long overdue. Glasgow still classes itself as Scotlands long haul gateway in main press releases tho