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Old 21st Oct 2016, 14:35
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Or just a Duel to get to the CTA in time!
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Indeed. I worked at the airport from 1990 until 2008. Even then, the traffic sometimes made it difficult to arrive in time for the start of the day shift at 0700 or nights at 1900. These days it would be nigh-on impossible!
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 16:40
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A lot of employees park off airport in one of the old Vauxhall car parks and are bused in. Oh for a second tunnel into the CTA!
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 20:08
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Most terminal staff including the baggage handlers have to catch the car hire coach to their car park while the easyjet office staff indeed catch another bus from the old Vauxhall car park.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 21:31
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Most terminal staff including the baggage handlers have to catch the car hire coach to their car park while the easyjet office staff indeed catch another bus from the old Vauxhall car park.
I'm full of bright ideas. For a few million quid more, the planned rail link could be extended another half mile to the staff car park/car hire centre. At last an end to the 15-20 minute wait for a bus! (it gets stuck in the morning gridlock like everything else), then enduring another 10-15 minutes feeling like a sardine while the (packed) bus crawls its way to the CTA. Then of course doing it all in reverse at the end of the shift. It would take at least an hour off my journey time every day!
Then for another few million quid it could take in the long term car park as well, giving the valued airport customers a much improved experience. Might even move us off the bottom of the airport league table!
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 08:46
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car parks

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The resurfacing of the short term car park is I would say 10 years over due and particularly in the last 2 or 3 years is a total disgrace. I can't think of any car park that is so full of potholes than Luton so when it finally gets a makeover it should improve the customer experience no end. Again this should be complete by the end of winter.
Well at least the airport management have their priorities right - noticed this past week that the "exec" (i.e. management) car park adjacent to the tower is getting priority for resurfacing over passenger car parks....
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 09:49
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Long Term Car PArk

How about a system like Terminal 5 at LHR with the pods? perhaps with the pods just a little bigger?!?! Not sure how it would navigate Delta taxiway but in this day in age most things are possible [LGW bridge & Emirates cable car]

The entrance to the long term car park could do with some tarmac too!

The Airports bosses cars clearly take precedent over anything else - Shame!
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 10:22
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Most terminal staff including the baggage handlers have to catch the car hire coach to their car park while the easyjet office staff indeed catch another bus from the old Vauxhall car park.
Not just Easyjet office staff, but all crew too. Can be a nightmare reporting on time when traffic is really bad. And crew are never given priority on the buses by the office staff.
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Originally Posted by cj241101
I'm full of bright ideas. For a few million quid more, the planned rail link could be extended another half mile to the staff car park/car hire centre. At last an end to the 15-20 minute wait for a bus! (it gets stuck in the morning gridlock like everything else), then enduring another 10-15 minutes feeling like a sardine while the (packed) bus crawls its way to the CTA. Then of course doing it all in reverse at the end of the shift. It would take at least an hour off my journey time every day!
Then for another few million quid it could take in the long term car park as well, giving the valued airport customers a much improved experience. Might even move us off the bottom of the airport league table!
You can enter the airport opposite the car hire centre next to cargo, if you have a airside driving permit (and comapny vehicle to drive across the taxiway!).
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 16:06
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luton mass transit system

came across this today in the local paper


London Luton Airport Limited - Mass Passenger Transit System


It looks like it will be over ground but over 3 years to build seems a long time
to me.
http://www.llal.org.uk/images/Map.JPG
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 16:24
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LTN is calling out for Luton Express esq service...

London Luton Airport and partners call on Government for Express... - London Luton Airport

Seems like LTN are calling out for a new four trains an hour express service between Luton Parkway and St Pancras, as part of the East Midlands Trains new franchise...

I wish the airport good luck getting that, and wonder exactly how that will be implemented...(?)

I am a East Midlands Trains user from Northamptonshire to St Pancras, and the service is already creaking at the seams... Users from Wellingborough and Kettering have been crying out for the service to be increased to three trains an hour for years, with no luck. Ironically Bedford 12 miles down the line gets 6-8 trains an hour and they all want to pile on to the East Midlands Trains!

A new franchise is due to be announced and commence late next year and there is currently no plans for any new rolling stock to be added, and highly doubt any new trains can be sourced in that short time for a new franchise to commence.

At present I find nearly all trains departing St Pancras towards the East Midlands are chocker and you have to be ready to board the train 15-20 mins before departure to get a seat.

Coming south it is usually standing room only when trains depart Wellingborough, and if not definitely by the time the train Bedford.

East Midlands trains already operates some of the slowest Intercity trains, in comparison to other long distance operators, and highly doubt the users from Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham and Derby, will be happy for an extra stop be added to these routes to please Luton Airport, which usually run non-stop from Leicester to London.

The service could easily be increased to half hourly, by dropping the hourly Corby train that calls at Luton and change this to Parkway.

I don't understand the need for this new express service when Parkway already boasts more than eight trains an hour and many of these Thameslink services only call at Harpenden and St Albans with a train journey of 32 mins!

This is compariable with the Gatwick Express, where many of these no-longer run non-stop to Victoria, and call at places like Clapham Junction and East Croydon.

Also the Stansted Express takes around 50 minutes from Liverpool Street.
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Interesting route for the MPT, but just from a quick browse there still is a couple of questions to be answered.

Firstly the track obviously crosses the taxiway but no description of how. If it's a tunnel then will it be underground all the way from the southwestern end of the midterm car park or just under the terminal?

Also if it is underground (including the terminal station) then why not end it closer to the terminal - as the current plan and current weatherproofing would mean all users having to brave the wind/rain from around the drop off zone to the departures hall.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 19:29
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MPT

I cannot see it going over the Alpha Taxiway, keeping it below ground enables an extension out into the Enterprise Zone, Terminal 2??, New Car Parks and new businesses beyond Harrods Aviation. Also the new foundations on Pier 2 did not appear to deep so it will have to avoid those.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 19:33
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Do think that is why it will take over 3 years to finish, if it's over ground it should be Faster?
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 19:43
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The attachment states the crossing of taxiway alpha will be cut and cover, which was how the exiting road tunnel was built. The attachment doesn't mention if the rest of the route through the CTA will be cut and cover.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 20:01
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The information leaflet provides a little more detail. "The route is proposed to run adjacent to the A1081 in shallow cutting / at grade and then through the existing mid-term car parking area before entering a 'cut and cover' tunnel under the airport taxiway. At the London Luton Airport terminal passengers will leave the people mover and access the terminal."


The configuration inside the CTA is less clear, though the picture puts the station right where the drop-off zone is now and also cutting across the pedestrian bridge from the new multistory car park. It's hard to see where there is room for all of this - though I suppose some of the ground level short term car park could be sacrificed. I find it very strange though these MPT plans have been overlaid on the old/existing CTA layout and not the one currently being built which would be in place before construction on the MPT would start. I'll definitely try to go to the consultation to see if there are any more details.


This is very different to the Environment Impact Assessment screening request on Luton's planning portal which describes a c.700m tunnel going into the CTA.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 20:03
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By the time its built, maybe terminal will be extended to build over the MPT station.

EZY hangar could be demolished and area used for vehicle drop-off zone.
Then EZY could have a nice new shiny hangar/office facility in the Enterprise Zone. I notice the rail line is shown as finishing pointing east for possible extension later.

Thats my ideas for free !!
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 20:28
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Do they already own all the land for the route?
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 21:39
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The airport bought the land for Sterling Place which will be used for the new station next to Parkway. As far as I am aware the airport and the council own all the land for the route.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 23:25
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How can it be overground in the undershoot area? It will also run very close to the proposed 08 parallel taxiway.
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