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I think it is important to discuss this issue with Copenhagen!
So EasyJet transferred their service from STN to LTN.
But the airport management at Luton then allowed FR to then operate the same route a few months later and now that the 'foreign' airline is able to undercut the British airline due to paying a very low tax in Eire on it's income-as opposed to what local companies here in the UK (on par with other European Countries) pay then surely EasyJet (and any other European Airline not based in Ireland) has a disadvantage on any routes it operates and in effect Ryanair could undercut any airline within Europe?
Seems to me the Eire Government are subsidizing their locally based businesses and that should be addressed not just here in the UK but throughout the whole of Europe!
Should Ryanair transfer the CPH services from LTN to STN then I hope the current leaseholders of Luton Airport learn a lesson!
So EasyJet transferred their service from STN to LTN.
But the airport management at Luton then allowed FR to then operate the same route a few months later and now that the 'foreign' airline is able to undercut the British airline due to paying a very low tax in Eire on it's income-as opposed to what local companies here in the UK (on par with other European Countries) pay then surely EasyJet (and any other European Airline not based in Ireland) has a disadvantage on any routes it operates and in effect Ryanair could undercut any airline within Europe?
Seems to me the Eire Government are subsidizing their locally based businesses and that should be addressed not just here in the UK but throughout the whole of Europe!
Should Ryanair transfer the CPH services from LTN to STN then I hope the current leaseholders of Luton Airport learn a lesson!
Lee BS,
I don't think the management at LTN had any choice on "allowing" FR to compete. If a carrier starts a route using available slots, the airport has no authority to stop them.
I don't think the management at LTN had any choice on "allowing" FR to compete. If a carrier starts a route using available slots, the airport has no authority to stop them.
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With STN being run almost exclusively for Ryanair and LGW reaching saturation point it will be interesting to see if LHR wins the 3rd runway
Contrary to the myth marketing the VAST majority of those potential 160,ooo slots created won't be either ring fenced domestic or long haul but rather more short haul (thats where almost all expected growth will come from !)
And that also means Easyjet (they are the only large and vocal carrier to express an intent to apply for large numbers of slots) will look to focus on Heathrow access in a big way.
Such growth from standing start can only be negative to their current operations relatively close by imo.
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It is arguable whether a new runway at Gatwick, which caters for low cost carriers, could have a greater impact on Luton and Stansted than an extra runway at Heathrow.
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And that also means Easyjet (they are the only large and vocal carrier to express an intent to apply for large numbers of slots) will look to focus on Heathrow access in a big way.
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Laughable, Runway 3 will just mean more British Airways and American Carriers with a few Emirates thrown into the mix.
!40,000 to 160,000 annual slots can be created with a third fully functional and segregated operating runway - Thats the size of Manchester or Stansted today.
All global forecasts suggest aviation growth will be centred in Asia and will be largely regional in nature i.e. Inter China and similarly Inter India and Indonesia .
Long haul is actually expected to be a rather smaller percentage than many think and yes both Alliance Hub and Spoke models along with destruption from the ME3 driving traffic away from the EU golden triangle will continue a pace.
What European growth there is will be in the hands of the flexible fares carriers (LCC or ULCC some call them)
So given that - how do you think HAL fills those slots out- Yes targeting the likes of Easyjet and as i said they have expressed more than a passing interest in that access.
Its therefore hardy a jump of logic to suppose such move would have a sizeable effect on their current operations at Bristol Luton and Gatwick at some point in the future is it?
R3 can not be justified on expected Long haul and a hand full of ring fenced and perhaps heavily subsidised domestics alone.
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Its therefore hardy a jump of logic to suppose such move would have a sizeable effect on their current operations at Bristol Luton and Gatwick at some point in the future is it?
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With respect rutankrd you haven't been on the smelling salts have you, never heard such a lot of cobblers for a long time, Heathrow expansion having an effect on Bristol, come on.
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With respect rutankrd you haven't been on the smelling salts have you, never heard such a lot of cobblers for a long time, Heathrow expansion having an effect on Bristol, come on.
Combined with careful reading and specific airline statements particularly those radiating from Easyjet.
In other domains where mega hubs have been created particular in the US medium sized airports relatively near by have consistently declined.
And think about it in the case of Bristol and move forward 10-15 years the rail line is fully electrified with IEP trains every 15 minutes towards London in 90 minutes.
T6 is open and the western curve built with trains stopping at T5/T6 station.
Easyjet have their 40 plane base up and running out of Heathrow.
Bristolians WILL be using this at the expense of the foggy runway on a hill that has dire road and no rail connections like it or not.
Luton's USP is also broken and similarly those in Central, North and Western London currently using Easyjets Gatwick operations have a more immediate local choice.
Just consider that.
Congecture maybe however its all in the consultation documents and based on industry growth expectations.
This scenario is rather more realistic than Liverpool or Carlisle having multiple daily shuttle flights me thinks.
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In 10-15 years time with all the investment into the railway to the west of London and the cost of Heathrow runway 3, it will be considerably cheaper to fly from Bristol. Someone has the pay for that massive infrastructure capital expenditure and that is you and I via increased fares and airport taxes.
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In 10-15 years time with all the investment into the railway to the west of London and the cost of Heathrow runway 3, it will be considerably cheaper to fly from Bristol. Someone has the pay for that massive infrastructure capital expenditure and that is you and I via increased fares and airport taxes.
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La Compagnie. On his firm's recent decision to abandon the UK-US market, Yvelin said the board had decided not to risk investing in such a relatively young route given the uncertainty of how the UK's exit from the European Union would play out.
"..what we realized was that it was making more sense to focus on Parisian service now to avoid potential risk of keeping investing on a potential market where no one knows what will happen in two years," he said adding that only once the nature of the UK's relationship with the bloc was known would La Compagnie consider returning to London.
"..what we realized was that it was making more sense to focus on Parisian service now to avoid potential risk of keeping investing on a potential market where no one knows what will happen in two years," he said adding that only once the nature of the UK's relationship with the bloc was known would La Compagnie consider returning to London.
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It's a reality even though some mock them for it.
Uncertainty is a bad investment for an Airline. Unfortunately those in charge seem like they want one thing one day and another the next. Bluffing, bumbling us all the way into another recession no doubt. Will there be any need for LHR runway 3 if we keep this nonsense up.
Uncertainty is a bad investment for an Airline. Unfortunately those in charge seem like they want one thing one day and another the next. Bluffing, bumbling us all the way into another recession no doubt. Will there be any need for LHR runway 3 if we keep this nonsense up.
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Low cost carrier to base 40 planes at Heathrow? One of the most expensive airports in Europe to operate from. Er, I think not. Not unless they were to have a complete change of business strategy. Heathrow to entice easyJet (or any other LCC for that matter) with cheap landing fees? Imagine the howls of protest from all the established airlines there. No, not going to happen.
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Rutankrd you weren't that chap a few years ago who told anybody who would listen suggesting that all charter flights in the south east would have to operate from the old RAF base at Lyneham in Wiltshire as there would be no space at Gatwick, Luton, Stansted etc. Just wondering.
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Low cost carrier to base 40 planes at Heathrow? One of the most expensive airports in Europe to operate from. Er, I think not. Not unless they were to have a complete change of business strategy. Heathrow to entice easyJet (or any other LCC for that matter) with cheap landing fees? Imagine the howls of protest from all the established airlines there. No, not going to happen.
Oh and I think you need to talk with Carolyn McCall directly because it is Easyjets publicly stated intent to have a 40 + fleet operating out of Heathrow if R3 and T6 become a reality.
Easyjet aren't averse to operating from major hub airports today , Madrid, Amsterdam both Paris Airports. Rome FCO, Geneva, Munich to mention a few see multiple daily orange waves.
As for their business model they very much offer business travel opportunities today
Simply you are wrong.
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At the moment Heathrow is not expensive, but it will, simply as someone has to pay for it. Assuming that it ever gets approval and the construction is not blocked in the courts.
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La Compagnie.
Skift: You pulled out of London’s Luton Airport in September. Why didn’t London to Newark work?
Frantz Yvelin: London did work. We were at 77 or 78 percent load factor over the past four months. But on the 24th of June, the British people decided to leave the European Union. This is what has been called by media as Brexit. I respect the choice of the British people. I don’t think it is necessarily a good one, but it is their choice. Now, in our case, we needed to decide whether to keep investing in a market in which we are not absolutely certain where we could stay beyond two years. We are now benefiting from an open skies agreement signed between Europe and the USA. With all that in mind, that creates a mass of uncertainty, and a lack of visibility. It is impacting the entire sector.
We did a deep analysis of every single point, and our conclusion was very clear. We do believe in the British market. We believe in London. But the main problem is that I cannot keep investing into an environment in which I am not sure I will have a place within two years. Clearly, Brexit was not in business plan.
Skift: You pulled out of London’s Luton Airport in September. Why didn’t London to Newark work?
Frantz Yvelin: London did work. We were at 77 or 78 percent load factor over the past four months. But on the 24th of June, the British people decided to leave the European Union. This is what has been called by media as Brexit. I respect the choice of the British people. I don’t think it is necessarily a good one, but it is their choice. Now, in our case, we needed to decide whether to keep investing in a market in which we are not absolutely certain where we could stay beyond two years. We are now benefiting from an open skies agreement signed between Europe and the USA. With all that in mind, that creates a mass of uncertainty, and a lack of visibility. It is impacting the entire sector.
We did a deep analysis of every single point, and our conclusion was very clear. We do believe in the British market. We believe in London. But the main problem is that I cannot keep investing into an environment in which I am not sure I will have a place within two years. Clearly, Brexit was not in business plan.