LUTON -8
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: No fixed abode
Posts: 792
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Atlas jet
Can somebody please explain why the Airport deem it necessary not to promote new services early enough.
It happened with Carpatair and Tarom, leaving it right to the last minute before anything appears on the website.
Now Atlas Jet are taking bookings but nothing appears!
If they want this to be successful they should advertise that Easy are dropping the route and Atlas are taking over from May .
FlyBE got taken off quickly enough though.
Simple , or am I missing something?
It happened with Carpatair and Tarom, leaving it right to the last minute before anything appears on the website.
Now Atlas Jet are taking bookings but nothing appears!
If they want this to be successful they should advertise that Easy are dropping the route and Atlas are taking over from May .
FlyBE got taken off quickly enough though.
Simple , or am I missing something?
wallp - I respect your enthusiasm for Luton and I completely understand how you want it to prosper, and I do mean that. However it's worth remembering it's now the end of January and airlines like Easyjet and Flybe are well into planning their winter 2014-15 schedules. I would expect most LCCs in Europe to be releasing winter seats around the start of April. Easyjet put the bulk of spring 2014 on sale 5 months ago.
Unless someone (eg Ryanair or Govt subsidy) pulls a rabbit out of a hat at a late stage, the chance is slim of any substantial new routes being launched to start in the spring - the ship sailed long ago. The best I can suggest is to lobby hard with ample data and strong supporting objective analysis for your proposed routes at Luton to start in spring 2015. The economy is improving and some carrier may prove receptive to your suggestions given enough time to do their own analysis
Unless someone (eg Ryanair or Govt subsidy) pulls a rabbit out of a hat at a late stage, the chance is slim of any substantial new routes being launched to start in the spring - the ship sailed long ago. The best I can suggest is to lobby hard with ample data and strong supporting objective analysis for your proposed routes at Luton to start in spring 2015. The economy is improving and some carrier may prove receptive to your suggestions given enough time to do their own analysis
Last edited by davidjohnson6; 30th Jan 2014 at 16:23.
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: London
Posts: 837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ireland
Why do FR not serve Shannon or Cork from Luton do you think?
I know that have services to both from STN so perhaps there isn't sufficient demand for LTN flights too but given how popular the Irish market has historically been from LTN and the fact that both Kerry & Knock seem to do well from both LTN & STN, I wonder why both Shannon & Cork couldn't also do well?
I know that have services to both from STN so perhaps there isn't sufficient demand for LTN flights too but given how popular the Irish market has historically been from LTN and the fact that both Kerry & Knock seem to do well from both LTN & STN, I wonder why both Shannon & Cork couldn't also do well?
Falcon - I cannot comment on motivations at Luton, but it's worth remembering that in actively promoting an airline, the airport is in effect providing an endorsement. If a well known airport has doubts, it may be a better idea to limit the extent of public endorsement - the Daily Mail does not forgive ! As long as slots are available, fire cover exists and an airline can pay the fees, a public airport has difficulty refusing access. Some airlines (eg big stable ones providing new routes) are more welcome than others. A large airport like LTN should be competent to decide on desirability of any particular airline. Have a read through the Southend thread between September 2012 and February 2013 for an example of this.
Iasi and Chisinau for Tarom and Carpatair are focussed very much on ethnic groups and migrant labour. When I was in Iasi last autumn, the number of tourists was near zero. News of these routes will have been passed via word of mouth and any ethnic community media sources - when Blue Air launched Luton I remember seeing a big ad in the window of my local East European food shop. An advert on Luton airport's website is not going to make much difference.
Iasi and Chisinau for Tarom and Carpatair are focussed very much on ethnic groups and migrant labour. When I was in Iasi last autumn, the number of tourists was near zero. News of these routes will have been passed via word of mouth and any ethnic community media sources - when Blue Air launched Luton I remember seeing a big ad in the window of my local East European food shop. An advert on Luton airport's website is not going to make much difference.
Last edited by davidjohnson6; 30th Jan 2014 at 16:22.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: No fixed abode
Posts: 792
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
davidjohnson6
Appreciate what you are saying re the airport not wishing to endorse a airline but given it will be a continuation of a existing successful route I just think they need to advertise to ensure it has a chance of being just that-successful.
wallp
Re Shannon and Cork afraid you're in in the hands of Ryanair , who at the moment aren't showing much interest in LTN for obvious reasons down the road.
In fact have noticed they have even added a second daily flight to Malta during the summer on a Tuesday .They just don't seem interested in adding new routes right now.
The large Irish community in and around Luton would love to see Waterford back but barring a miracle it just won't happen anytime soon
Appreciate what you are saying re the airport not wishing to endorse a airline but given it will be a continuation of a existing successful route I just think they need to advertise to ensure it has a chance of being just that-successful.
wallp
Re Shannon and Cork afraid you're in in the hands of Ryanair , who at the moment aren't showing much interest in LTN for obvious reasons down the road.
In fact have noticed they have even added a second daily flight to Malta during the summer on a Tuesday .They just don't seem interested in adding new routes right now.
The large Irish community in and around Luton would love to see Waterford back but barring a miracle it just won't happen anytime soon
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Luton
Posts: 402
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Video from the tower
Theres a nice piece on Luton at the following: Tower Tours: Luton - The busiest business aviation airport in the country | NATS Blog
'Tower Tours'
'Tower Tours'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just watched the NATS video (direct link here) linked from the above post
There are many detractors on other threads who love to take a dig at Luton at every opportunity often describing it as an airport on a hill. To those people it is worth looking at this screen shot from the tower showing the flat lands to the south of the runway. The airport might never end up getting expanded in that direction but the land is there so it will always be a possibility when Luton gets close to 18 million passengers.
As seen in the video the private jet community have made Luton the UK's busiest biz jet airport. Good to see at least they seem to like the place
There are many detractors on other threads who love to take a dig at Luton at every opportunity often describing it as an airport on a hill. To those people it is worth looking at this screen shot from the tower showing the flat lands to the south of the runway. The airport might never end up getting expanded in that direction but the land is there so it will always be a possibility when Luton gets close to 18 million passengers.
As seen in the video the private jet community have made Luton the UK's busiest biz jet airport. Good to see at least they seem to like the place
Last edited by LTNman; 31st Jan 2014 at 22:19.
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: London
Posts: 837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The airport should be commended on how its carved out a hugely successful executive/business jet operation alongside the core passenger operations. Geographically, the airport seems perfectly placed to accommodate such traffic, situated as it is close to the M1 to private jet passengers can arrive & be whisked away in no time.
I knew that this business was significant but hadn't realised quite how substantial it is in terms of overall movements. Long may it continue
I knew that this business was significant but hadn't realised quite how substantial it is in terms of overall movements. Long may it continue
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Stansted has in the past often picked up the crumbs Luton's then 2 FBO's could not handle. With RRS building 2 new aprons and moving premises thus releasing the south stands Luton has some much needed capacity as the south stands are now acting as an overflow.
So what happens when the airport claims back the Pond as 2 extra stands for the terminal and starts to bus passangers to the south stands? I can't see where these aircraft would end up apart from other airports around London.
So what happens when the airport claims back the Pond as 2 extra stands for the terminal and starts to bus passangers to the south stands? I can't see where these aircraft would end up apart from other airports around London.
Last edited by LTNman; 2nd Feb 2014 at 08:07.
Join Date: May 2011
Location: LTN
Posts: 419
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well the hangar is pretty huge so maybe they will keep most jets inside until they are ready to be used. I agree however, Seems like a nonsensical mess awaits. Terminal on the other side of the airport from the parking/hangars. Towing will slow down the other planes taxiing, All for 2 Airliner stands that wont even be used most of the time.
Worst layout of an airport I have ever seen.
Worst layout of an airport I have ever seen.
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Luton
Posts: 402
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
With the new stands being built to the north area of the airfield I can not see any problem at all in accommodating the many biz jets.
Incidentally the pond is to be extended to accommodate 4 aircraft stands.
From that NATS video I was wondering does anyone know what all that machinery/equipment is to the east of the airfield just beyond the test bay?
Is it concrete making machinery?
Incidentally the pond is to be extended to accommodate 4 aircraft stands.
From that NATS video I was wondering does anyone know what all that machinery/equipment is to the east of the airfield just beyond the test bay?
Is it concrete making machinery?
Join Date: May 2011
Location: LTN
Posts: 419
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cement mixers, Arctic lorries, Excavators.. all different kinds of equipment back there.
Photos: - Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
People talk about expanding into Hertfordshire but look at all that room that can be recovered from building a couple of multiple storey car parks out of the way.. Take the car parks behind harrods, car parks in the center of the picture and the engine bay & building site and there is **** loads of room. Just wasted, I know some of the greenery is landfill but the majority isn't.
Photos: - Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
People talk about expanding into Hertfordshire but look at all that room that can be recovered from building a couple of multiple storey car parks out of the way.. Take the car parks behind harrods, car parks in the center of the picture and the engine bay & building site and there is **** loads of room. Just wasted, I know some of the greenery is landfill but the majority isn't.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The new RSS aprons do not come close to compensating for the loss of the part of the south stands that they rented and the Pond. The RSS aprons are shown just to the left of Stand 71 (top) The Pond is shown with the word Radar partly written over it.
The pond is going to be remarked with only a very small increase in its size. Its the south stands that get a major makeover. Yellow shows the remarking of stands while green shows new concrete. Purple shows FBO aprons. Worth noting though that when Signature build their new terminal and move their hangars they will gain some apron space to the back and side but Signature's latest plans show smaller aprons than is shown above.
Left over from the building of the RSS aprons.
Incidentally the pond is to be extended to accommodate 4 aircraft stands.
Is it concrete making machinery?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Health and safety - Lexology
The operator of Luton Airport and a design subcontractor have been ordered to pay fines and costs totalling £372,595 following the death of an elderly woman at a pedestrian crossing at the airport. The woman was using a pedestrian crossing between a terminal building and a passenger drop off zone when she was hit by a delivery vehicle. The crossing was on private land leased by the airport’s operator and had been designed by a subcontractor. The HSE investigation found that the crossing was poorly positioned, and did not match the standards expected on public roads.
Following a trial, the airport’s operator was found guilty of health and safety offences and fined £75,000 and ordered to pay prosecution costs of £197,595. The contractor was fined £70,000 with costs of £30,000. The driver of the delivery vehicle had previously been acquitted on a charge of dangerous driving.
]The airport was ordered to pay prosecution costs of more than 2.5 times the amount of the fine imposed. The trial lasted six weeks, which was no doubt a key factor in the high level of costs. Both defendants will also have been obliged to pay their own legal costs in addition to those of the prosecution, which highlights the financial risks of trying to defend a health and safety prosecution. Increasingly courts offer very little leniency in payment of prosecution costs and guilty defendants are required to pay in full, even where the amount is considerably more than the fine.
The operator of Luton Airport and a design subcontractor have been ordered to pay fines and costs totalling £372,595 following the death of an elderly woman at a pedestrian crossing at the airport. The woman was using a pedestrian crossing between a terminal building and a passenger drop off zone when she was hit by a delivery vehicle. The crossing was on private land leased by the airport’s operator and had been designed by a subcontractor. The HSE investigation found that the crossing was poorly positioned, and did not match the standards expected on public roads.
Following a trial, the airport’s operator was found guilty of health and safety offences and fined £75,000 and ordered to pay prosecution costs of £197,595. The contractor was fined £70,000 with costs of £30,000. The driver of the delivery vehicle had previously been acquitted on a charge of dangerous driving.
]The airport was ordered to pay prosecution costs of more than 2.5 times the amount of the fine imposed. The trial lasted six weeks, which was no doubt a key factor in the high level of costs. Both defendants will also have been obliged to pay their own legal costs in addition to those of the prosecution, which highlights the financial risks of trying to defend a health and safety prosecution. Increasingly courts offer very little leniency in payment of prosecution costs and guilty defendants are required to pay in full, even where the amount is considerably more than the fine.