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Israel are promoting Eliat as a holiday destination again and have commenced an 'open skies' liberalisation of their airports.
LTNman, I hope you don't mind, I copied your image and sent it to a few ex easyJet staff members that I know really well? They worked at easyLand and have fond memories of the building that they are demolishing currently. My sis-in-law was one of the first telephone sales staff back in the 01582 days and worked there until they moved into Hangar 89. Quite a bit of shock has filtered out since I mentioned the end of easyLand as it was the centre of the low cost airline revolution at Luton.
LTNman, I hope you don't mind, I copied your image and sent it to a few ex easyJet staff members that I know really well? They worked at easyLand and have fond memories of the building that they are demolishing currently. My sis-in-law was one of the first telephone sales staff back in the 01582 days and worked there until they moved into Hangar 89. Quite a bit of shock has filtered out since I mentioned the end of easyLand as it was the centre of the low cost airline revolution at Luton.
wallp - the following links might prove useful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat_Airport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Airport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovda_Airport
I assume Monarch will leave Ovda when the new airport opens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat_Airport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Airport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovda_Airport
I assume Monarch will leave Ovda when the new airport opens
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Ah I see, well good that Monarch are getting in there, I wonder if it might spur others to do the same?
What does this mean in terms of numbers of aircraft making up the Monarch fleet based at Luton this winter? Also, presumably these routes will operate year round in which case will we see an increase back up to 5 based aircraft next summer?
What does this mean in terms of numbers of aircraft making up the Monarch fleet based at Luton this winter? Also, presumably these routes will operate year round in which case will we see an increase back up to 5 based aircraft next summer?
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Monarch remains 4 based next winter and next summer based on their timetable. Ovda and Tel Aviv fit in no problem in winter as the schedule is light at times. Summer is not and Arrecife seems to have been discarded, Rome is only showing at 4 a week next July as well and Malaga on a Monday is operated by a Gatwick based aircraft (Faro on a Friday Manchester based).
Winter:
Monday - just three flights once TLV starts increasing to 6 in February half-term*
Tuesday - Three flights with two aircraft required*
Wednesday - two flights using two aircraft*
Thursday -Three flights using three aircraft*
Friday - Five flights using three aircraft*
Saturday - six flights using 4 aircraft*
Sunday - seven flights using 4 aircraft*
* Extra flights over Christmas and New Year.
Summer 16 in July - all four aircraft used with virtually no gaps.
Just shuffling the pack but at least in winter it appears that the new flights are increases although Faro & Malaga at twice a week (at times) does seem low but I haven't got a copy of the original Luton schedule.
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Monarch remains 4 based next winter and next summer based on their timetable. Ovda and Tel Aviv fit in no problem in winter as the schedule is light at times. Summer is not and Arrecife seems to have been discarded, Rome is only showing at 4 a week next July as well and Malaga on a Monday is operated by a Gatwick based aircraft (Faro on a Friday Manchester based).
Winter:
Monday - just three flights once TLV starts increasing to 6 in February half-term*
Tuesday - Three flights with two aircraft required*
Wednesday - two flights using two aircraft*
Thursday -Three flights using three aircraft*
Friday - Five flights using three aircraft*
Saturday - six flights using 4 aircraft*
Sunday - seven flights using 4 aircraft*
* Extra flights over Christmas and New Year.
Summer 16 in July - all four aircraft used with virtually no gaps.
Just shuffling the pack but at least in winter it appears that the new flights are increases although Faro & Malaga at twice a week (at times) does seem low but I haven't got a copy of the original Luton schedule.
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I remember MAOF Boeing 720B's previously belonging to Monarch operating the service to Israel back in early eighties from Luton.
But do you remember Britannia operating the military contract to Germany which necessitated 'armed' personnel being positioned on the roof top of the 70's - 80's terminal?
I remember MAOF Boeing 720B's previously belonging to Monarch operating the service to Israel back in early eighties from Luton.
But do you remember Britannia operating the military contract to Germany which necessitated 'armed' personnel being positioned on the roof top of the 70's - 80's terminal?
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Ahhh! Nothing makes me happier than TLV-talk here on the Luton thread. 
Both El Al and Easyjet are currently commanding £400-£500 or more return on random dates throughout August and early September. My understanding is the flights are leaving absolutely rammed. Monarch would surely want some of that pie!
As I explained earlier in the thread, TLV's VFR pax really can't visit Israel too often. They'd fly every weekend if the price was right.
Ovda sounds like an odd choice at first: it's a right pain in the arse to get from the airport to the city, though it's a nice drive if you go along the mountain road. In ordinary circumstances an additional TLV rotation would probably have made better sense, but the Tourism Ministry is apparently paying out a subsidy of €45 per passenger, which sweetens the deal enormously. It's also possible they have some sort of arrangement with travel agents/hotels in the area, as there was a few years ago with Isrotel's charters.
By the way, Eilat Airport could in theory land an A321. But the apron is strapped for space and an A321 would probably block other movements until it's turned around. I doubt immigration there could handle the influx of international pax either. Finally, the runway is just too short and the return flight will require a tech stop in TLV.
I get Ovda but with easyJet and El-Al going to Tel Aviv at least once daily, often more can Monarch really make inroads into what is already a very well served route? It seems a slightly strange choice of route when there must be others that they could more easily make their own
As I explained earlier in the thread, TLV's VFR pax really can't visit Israel too often. They'd fly every weekend if the price was right.
Ovda sounds like an odd choice at first: it's a right pain in the arse to get from the airport to the city, though it's a nice drive if you go along the mountain road. In ordinary circumstances an additional TLV rotation would probably have made better sense, but the Tourism Ministry is apparently paying out a subsidy of €45 per passenger, which sweetens the deal enormously. It's also possible they have some sort of arrangement with travel agents/hotels in the area, as there was a few years ago with Isrotel's charters.
By the way, Eilat Airport could in theory land an A321. But the apron is strapped for space and an A321 would probably block other movements until it's turned around. I doubt immigration there could handle the influx of international pax either. Finally, the runway is just too short and the return flight will require a tech stop in TLV.
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22/04, the previous Monarch Ovda (and Taba) 321 flights were before the aircraft with ACTs. They had a slightly reduced return load (200?) and a higher flight plan fuel load (5%). There should be no problem now for a full 214 load both ways.
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July stats confirmed
1,320,357 pax +16.2%
Rolling year 11,374,803
Still no info on Newark flights or Vigo but looked like Izmir load factor was very high 1323 pax.
Istanbul bounced back.June was down 12% but jumped up 30% in July.
Waterford up to 3355 pax from 2883 in June.Think that puts L/F about 63% but stand to be corrected.
1,320,357 pax +16.2%
Rolling year 11,374,803
Still no info on Newark flights or Vigo but looked like Izmir load factor was very high 1323 pax.
Istanbul bounced back.June was down 12% but jumped up 30% in July.
Waterford up to 3355 pax from 2883 in June.Think that puts L/F about 63% but stand to be corrected.
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Britannia German trooping flights.
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I remember those Britannia trooping flights to Germany, when I was a young kid in 1975/76 and about 10yo my uncle was in the RAF based in Gutersloh in the former West Germany, my father took me with him on several occasions to Luton to either pick up or drop off my uncle for his trooping flights to and from Gutersloh and I can remember on one occasion that there was Army personnel with guns on the roof of the then terminal, it was pointed out to me at the time by my uncle as it was at the height of the IRA terrorist campaign, those years were my first visits to Luton Airport all the way from Southampton.
SEAN
I remember those Britannia trooping flights to Germany, when I was a young kid in 1975/76 and about 10yo my uncle was in the RAF based in Gutersloh in the former West Germany, my father took me with him on several occasions to Luton to either pick up or drop off my uncle for his trooping flights to and from Gutersloh and I can remember on one occasion that there was Army personnel with guns on the roof of the then terminal, it was pointed out to me at the time by my uncle as it was at the height of the IRA terrorist campaign, those years were my first visits to Luton Airport all the way from Southampton.
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The average load factor for Waterford has now increased to 62% or 31 passengers which is very good.
Sadly the NYC route continues not to be disclosed!
In response to Canberra97 I appreciated your comment.
On a different note does anyone know how many new aircraft EasyJet will be further basing at Luton next year as it is my under standing they are planning to do so?
Sadly the NYC route continues not to be disclosed!
In response to Canberra97 I appreciated your comment.
On a different note does anyone know how many new aircraft EasyJet will be further basing at Luton next year as it is my under standing they are planning to do so?
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The average load factor for Waterford has now increased to 62% or 31 passengers which is very good.
Sadly the NYC route continues not to be disclosed!
In response to Canberra97 I appreciated your comment.
On a different note does anyone know how many new aircraft EasyJet will be further basing at Luton next year as it is my under standing they are planning to do so?
Sadly the NYC route continues not to be disclosed!
In response to Canberra97 I appreciated your comment.
On a different note does anyone know how many new aircraft EasyJet will be further basing at Luton next year as it is my under standing they are planning to do so?
As for easyJet, how many do they base now - 19? If they plan to increase operations next year then I wonder what we might expect in terms of new routes and increased frequencies?
Hopefully they'll up the Vienna flights from the planned 2 a week for starters. I'd like to see them take on Wizz to Prague. The Wizz flights leave at horrible times so maybe there's an opportunity there to what is a very popular destination?
I'd also love to see more flights to Glasgow. The current 2 or 3 a day could surely be improved on given how popular the route is?
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Redevelopment update.
This week has seen work continue on removing the earth banks on the roundabout.
Only the old spectators building now remains of the former easyjet HQ as work continues on clearing the site.
See this post http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...ml#post9080332 to see what it looked like when it first opened in 1995.
Inside the terminal steelwork is being erected under the vaulted roof for the new security area.
Scanners etc are being stored in the old arrivals area for installation.
The temporary arrivals area now has a completed grey floor instead of the vast number of floor coverings when it first opened.
Only the old spectators building now remains of the former easyjet HQ as work continues on clearing the site.
See this post http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...ml#post9080332 to see what it looked like when it first opened in 1995.
Inside the terminal steelwork is being erected under the vaulted roof for the new security area.
Scanners etc are being stored in the old arrivals area for installation.
The temporary arrivals area now has a completed grey floor instead of the vast number of floor coverings when it first opened.
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Future bottle necks after expansion
I have noticed that the vast majority of check-in desks were open yesterday with the odd one closed here and there. In fact Wizz could have done with a few more open as their queues were massive and snaked into a part of the central area by WH Smiths that will soon be closed off as it is converted into the expanding security area which still has a long way to go.
Yet under the the redevelopment plans there is no provision or room to expand the total number of check-in desk. With check-in desks dedicated to a particular airline when open will there be enough if new airlines come to Luton?
At the moment the drop off area consists of three lanes with a further four lanes that are rarely used as most people don't know that they are there. Under the new plans, when the drop off area is moved, the seven lanes will be replaced by a longer single lane that does a U turn and double backs on its self. Will a much longer single lane be enough when cars often double park to let passengers in and out thus blocking traffic?
So what happens when the airport reaches 18 million and wants to grow further? I can't see any other way apart from a terminal 2 outside the CTA and south of the runway. Luton's 1.3 million passengers in July is the equivalent of 15.6 million passengers per year so I would think that planning should be taking place now for what happens next.
Yet under the the redevelopment plans there is no provision or room to expand the total number of check-in desk. With check-in desks dedicated to a particular airline when open will there be enough if new airlines come to Luton?
At the moment the drop off area consists of three lanes with a further four lanes that are rarely used as most people don't know that they are there. Under the new plans, when the drop off area is moved, the seven lanes will be replaced by a longer single lane that does a U turn and double backs on its self. Will a much longer single lane be enough when cars often double park to let passengers in and out thus blocking traffic?
So what happens when the airport reaches 18 million and wants to grow further? I can't see any other way apart from a terminal 2 outside the CTA and south of the runway. Luton's 1.3 million passengers in July is the equivalent of 15.6 million passengers per year so I would think that planning should be taking place now for what happens next.
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Well you would have thought so but with more and more people checking in online there is less demand for desks but even now at existing passenger levels there isn't a great deal of spare capacity and that capacity isn't being increased.