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Lima's not dropped completely - it's just gone summer seasonal. I'd say the route is underperforming because it's operating out of Gatwick. A Heathrow operation would allow a lot more transfer passengers and greater publicity amongst Londoners.
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The route is not necessarily underperforming, there is just greater demand for Lima in the Summer months when I believe the climate is also better. The route is only suspended during November and December. Please do not fall for the Heathrow must be better for everything obsession that some have on here. Lima is very much a high end leisure destination which is perfect for London-Gatwick. May I also remind you that Rio, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo are also under pressure at moment owing to downturns in South America, even from Heathrow.
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The route is not necessarily underperforming, there is just greater demand for Lima in the Summer months when I believe the climate is also better. The route is only suspended during November and December. Please do not fall for the Heathrow must be better for everything obsession that some have on here. Lima is very much a high end leisure destination which is perfect for London-Gatwick. May I also remind you that Rio, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo are also under pressure at moment owing to downturns in South America, even from Heathrow.
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Chile has a GDP per capita more than double that of Peru.
There is good reason for Santiago to get a Heathrow slot while Lima gets Gatwick. I imagine a London-Lima route is much more dependent on high spending UK-resident tourists (eg Macchu Pichu and all things Inca) than a London-Santiago route
There is good reason for Santiago to get a Heathrow slot while Lima gets Gatwick. I imagine a London-Lima route is much more dependent on high spending UK-resident tourists (eg Macchu Pichu and all things Inca) than a London-Santiago route
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BA stated that they were suspending the route because "the flights are not as full as we'd hoped" - that is the definition of underperforming.
The route is suspended for the full winter season, not just Nov/Dec.
Lima is home to OneWorld parter LATAM Peru, meaning the flights will be used by many Europeans connecting to Peru via London, and South Americans connecting via Lima. Heathrow is a lot better equipped to feed into long haul services given BA's substantial European network, unlike Gatwick which focuses on point to point European leisure routes.
The route is suspended for the full winter season, not just Nov/Dec.
Lima is home to OneWorld parter LATAM Peru, meaning the flights will be used by many Europeans connecting to Peru via London, and South Americans connecting via Lima. Heathrow is a lot better equipped to feed into long haul services given BA's substantial European network, unlike Gatwick which focuses on point to point European leisure routes.
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I apologise for any factual errors. However I did say 'not necessarily underperforming'.
Still my point about it being high end leisure destination suited to Gatwick stands.
Iberia is already there to take care of everyone else via Madrid.
Obviously BA must have weighed up the pros and cons and decided it most suited Gatwick even on a seasonal basis. Who knows maybe from Heathrow it may have been axed altogether.
I apologise for any factual errors. However I did say 'not necessarily underperforming'.
Still my point about it being high end leisure destination suited to Gatwick stands.
Iberia is already there to take care of everyone else via Madrid.
Obviously BA must have weighed up the pros and cons and decided it most suited Gatwick even on a seasonal basis. Who knows maybe from Heathrow it may have been axed altogether.
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I apologise for any factual errors. However I did say 'not necessarily underperforming'.
Still my point about it being high end leisure destination suited to Gatwick stands.
Iberia is already there to take care of everyone else via Madrid.
Obviously BA must have weighed up the pros and cons and decided it most suited Gatwick even on a seasonal basis. Who knows maybe from Heathrow it may have been axed altogether.
I apologise for any factual errors. However I did say 'not necessarily underperforming'.
Still my point about it being high end leisure destination suited to Gatwick stands.
Iberia is already there to take care of everyone else via Madrid.
Obviously BA must have weighed up the pros and cons and decided it most suited Gatwick even on a seasonal basis. Who knows maybe from Heathrow it may have been axed altogether.
Of course there's the whole issue of Heathrow slots, but a Heathrow service would have allowed more connections, and the possibility of using the B787 on what is clearly a 'thin' route.
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BA to Firm up 4 A380 Options ?
Hi all, first post here and I thought it would be fun to share some information I heard from a friend that works at BA.
He heard down the grapevine BA are about to firm up 4 A380 options into orders and that the recent 3rd daily LAX will eventually go up to the A380 from the 787 and boston will also go A380 year round.
Of course it may be no truth to it. But just putting it out there.
He heard down the grapevine BA are about to firm up 4 A380 options into orders and that the recent 3rd daily LAX will eventually go up to the A380 from the 787 and boston will also go A380 year round.
Of course it may be no truth to it. But just putting it out there.
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I doubt LAX would go to three daily A380.
As for new aircraft orders, you have to understand the IAG thought process. IAG has a very disciplined approach to capital expenditure. The last thing IAG wants to do is to have to park a score of BA A380s in the desert the next time there is a downturn.
Willie Walsh said he was interested in leasing second hand A380s for a reason: IAG wants maximum ability to flex BA capacity in a downturn.
As for new aircraft orders, you have to understand the IAG thought process. IAG has a very disciplined approach to capital expenditure. The last thing IAG wants to do is to have to park a score of BA A380s in the desert the next time there is a downturn.
Willie Walsh said he was interested in leasing second hand A380s for a reason: IAG wants maximum ability to flex BA capacity in a downturn.
How true is this story I wonder, also I'm not sure which aircraft takes 13 hours to fly LAX-LHR these days.
Woman, 87, was blocked from going to toilet by BA hostess | Daily Mail Online
Woman, 87, was blocked from going to toilet by BA hostess | Daily Mail Online
I see the rumour mill is busy today with thoughts of charging economy passengers food and drink on long haul flights. Surely this is one step too far. How much would it cost for food and drink if you were flying LHR-SIN-SYD there and back?
This I'm sure would be the death knell for the airline if this was implemented. Come on Herr Cruz wake up, your product is becoming worthless.
This I'm sure would be the death knell for the airline if this was implemented. Come on Herr Cruz wake up, your product is becoming worthless.
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I see the rumour mill is busy today with thoughts of charging economy passengers food and drink on long haul flights. Surely this is one step too far. How much would it cost for food and drink if you were flying LHR-SIN-SYD there and back?
This I'm sure would be the death knell for the airline if this was implemented. Come on Herr Cruz wake up, your product is becoming worthless.
This I'm sure would be the death knell for the airline if this was implemented. Come on Herr Cruz wake up, your product is becoming worthless.
I have to admit I very rarely fly BA., so unsure what to expect these days. Booked MAN-LHR-BUD in club. After booking found out there is a £24 charge to reserve seats in advance. Also the confirmation then said BUD operates from T3. The last time I transited T5-T3 it took 2 hours. Does this outfit charge for food & drink in club Europe?
I've booked the return from BUD to MAN with KLM, seats reserved for free & same terminal transfer at AMS. Lesson learned.
I've booked the return from BUD to MAN with KLM, seats reserved for free & same terminal transfer at AMS. Lesson learned.
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Ha ha ha. "This outfit"
Seat selection is free at online check-in, free for status passengers.
Food is included in CE which I would guess you will be in on the domestic also ? If so you will get lounge access at MAN and LHR.
The T5 to 3 transfer isn't too bad but is because T5 is already full and BA have no option but to run some services ex T3
None of this information is hidden from customers as far as I'm aware. Certainly lounge wise you shouldn't notice much difference as the actual offering should be identical.
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Seat selection is free at online check-in, free for status passengers.
Food is included in CE which I would guess you will be in on the domestic also ? If so you will get lounge access at MAN and LHR.
The T5 to 3 transfer isn't too bad but is because T5 is already full and BA have no option but to run some services ex T3
None of this information is hidden from customers as far as I'm aware. Certainly lounge wise you shouldn't notice much difference as the actual offering should be identical.
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Ha ha ha. "This outfit"
Seat selection is free at online check-in, free for status passengers.
Food is included in CE which I would guess you will be in on the domestic also ? If so you will get lounge access at MAN and LHR.
The T5 to 3 transfer isn't too bad but is because T5 is already full and BA have no option but to run some services ex T3
None of this information is hidden from customers as far as I'm aware. Certainly lounge wise you shouldn't notice much difference as the actual offering should be identical.
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Seat selection is free at online check-in, free for status passengers.
Food is included in CE which I would guess you will be in on the domestic also ? If so you will get lounge access at MAN and LHR.
The T5 to 3 transfer isn't too bad but is because T5 is already full and BA have no option but to run some services ex T3
None of this information is hidden from customers as far as I'm aware. Certainly lounge wise you shouldn't notice much difference as the actual offering should be identical.
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Seat selection is NOT free for status pax if travelling on hand-baggage only fares as countless of us do!
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This conversation reinforces in my mind how fiendishly complicated BA is to deal with :-(
My last attempt to book a flight with them ended up with a connecting flight departing before the outward flight, and took wasted hours on the phone to sort out.
My last attempt to book a flight with them ended up with a connecting flight departing before the outward flight, and took wasted hours on the phone to sort out.