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I've heard WW do Q&As with investors for years and seen him give talks. He always seems very well briefed and has never been caught out by a question. I don't believe for a moment he wasn't aware of this.
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I am surprised that interested parties should believe this nonsense in regard to the provision of new domestic flights. Destinations served will be those that provide maximum profits, new entrants to LHR and routes in general supported by larger capacity aircraft.
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"But it's been bl**ding obvious to everyone else since the late 1940s that any additional runway(s) at Heathrow would be north of the A4."
Agreed, Dave, but IIRC the late 20th-century (
... ) proposal was for a medium-length runway which would not have needed to extend across the M25? In which case, it seemed to me that its western threshold would have been between Waterside and the M4.
Now that - for so we are told - the runway is to cross over the M25, it will need to avoid the enormous area of the M4/M25 interchange. This in turn means, presumably, that it will have to be situated further south. That, and an associated parallel-taxiway on its south side, would appear to encroach on Waterside.
Not that this project - or any other - is likely to be given the go-ahead any time soon...
"But it's been bl**ding obvious to everyone else since the late 1940s that any additional runway(s) at Heathrow would be north of the A4."
Agreed, Dave, but IIRC the late 20th-century (
... ) proposal was for a medium-length runway which would not have needed to extend across the M25? In which case, it seemed to me that its western threshold would have been between Waterside and the M4. Now that - for so we are told - the runway is to cross over the M25, it will need to avoid the enormous area of the M4/M25 interchange. This in turn means, presumably, that it will have to be situated further south. That, and an associated parallel-taxiway on its south side, would appear to encroach on Waterside.
Not that this project - or any other - is likely to be given the go-ahead any time soon...
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Little Red only duplicated BA's existing routes anyway. I'd have thought that the reason for their "massive losses" could well be to do with: 1) They were immediately setting themselves up in competition with a big, well known carrier; and 2) Nothing like the same comprehensive route network at the London end to connect into. Neither of these would be an issue with any new domestics BA (or a codeshare partner) might try.
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It's behind the Times' paywall.
But it basically contains the same as the above-linked Guardian article, quoting WW's speech to the AOA where he calls Heathrow "fat, dumb and happy" and says there is zero chance of BA adding any new domestic routes from an expanded Heathrow.
That may, of course, just turn out to be more bluster (see above) from WW, who appears to have been studying the MO'L Manual of PR.
But it basically contains the same as the above-linked Guardian article, quoting WW's speech to the AOA where he calls Heathrow "fat, dumb and happy" and says there is zero chance of BA adding any new domestic routes from an expanded Heathrow.
That may, of course, just turn out to be more bluster (see above) from WW, who appears to have been studying the MO'L Manual of PR.
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where he calls Heathrow "fat, dumb and happy" and says there is zero chance of BA adding any new domestic routes from an expanded Heathrow.
He cites LHR-NQY ( awaits cornishsimon to rebut the CEO of IAG
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But Walsh stated that his airlines would not operate routes to airports such as Newquay in Cornwall, “even if [Heathrow chief executive] John Holland-Kaye got down and begged me”.
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...ll-raze-his-hq
where he calls Heathrow "fat, dumb and happy" and says there is zero chance of BA adding any new domestic routes from an expanded Heathrow.
He cites LHR-NQY ( awaits cornishsimon to rebut the CEO of IAG
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But Walsh stated that his airlines would not operate routes to airports such as Newquay in Cornwall, “even if [Heathrow chief executive] John Holland-Kaye got down and begged me”.
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...ll-raze-his-hq
If BA won't provide the domestic connectivity who will ?
Would also expect widespread code-sharing for longhaul connectivity.
Little Red only duplicated BA's existing routes anyway. I'd have thought that the reason for their "massive losses" could well be to do with: 1) They were immediately setting themselves up in competition with a big, well known carrier; and 2) Nothing like the same comprehensive route network at the London end to connect into. Neither of these would be an issue with any new domestics BA (or a codeshare partner) might try.
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Given Heathrows cost base, just how does anyone intend to make a J31 into Heathrow profitable?
With the exception of Liverpool, does any city with any sort of catchment have the passenger mix to make Heathrow profitable? IOM, JER perhaps.
Shetlands, Dundee, Carlisle, Derry.... not a (profitable) hope. The days of Sheds flying from Heathrow to Birmingham aren't coming back.
With the exception of Liverpool, does any city with any sort of catchment have the passenger mix to make Heathrow profitable? IOM, JER perhaps.
Shetlands, Dundee, Carlisle, Derry.... not a (profitable) hope. The days of Sheds flying from Heathrow to Birmingham aren't coming back.
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It's down to balance. Without the domestic and short haul feed, would all their long haul remain viable? I'm sure I've read things from them in the past about the proportion of domestic passengers that go on to connect into another of their flights.
True, sending an A319 to Newquay may not stack up, but a codeshare on a Q400 may make sense for both parties concerned.
True, sending an A319 to Newquay may not stack up, but a codeshare on a Q400 may make sense for both parties concerned.
Given Heathrows cost base, just how does anyone intend to make a J31 into Heathrow profitable?
With the exception of Liverpool, does any city with any sort of catchment have the passenger mix to make Heathrow profitable? IOM, JER perhaps.
Shetlands, Dundee, Carlisle, Derry.... not a (profitable) hope. The days of Sheds flying from Heathrow to Birmingham aren't coming back.
With the exception of Liverpool, does any city with any sort of catchment have the passenger mix to make Heathrow profitable? IOM, JER perhaps.
Shetlands, Dundee, Carlisle, Derry.... not a (profitable) hope. The days of Sheds flying from Heathrow to Birmingham aren't coming back.
The same goes for Guernsey (although BAW & EZY don't operate there). I could envisage up to 4 flights a day to LHR , with an appropriate reduction in LGW services. Although, I don't think BAW or EZY would have much interest in Guernsey without a R/W extension.
BA won't be adding any routes (domestic or otherwise) that are not "thick" enough for at least the A319, it does not have any smaller aircraft. That much is obvious.
Given Heathrows cost base, just how does anyone intend to make a J31 into Heathrow profitable?
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I suspect that Heathrow's new-found enthusiasm for expanding regional connectivity would evaporate pretty quickly if the regulators insisted that slots that could otherwise be used for longhaul widebodies were instead reserved for regionals with their Dash 8s and ERJs.
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Would it not be feasible for BA to run the thinner routes domestically on the Embraers?
There's currently Pilot scope clauses that prevent that happening from LHR.
Would it not be feasible for BA to run the thinner routes domestically on the Embraers?
There's currently Pilot scope clauses that prevent that happening from LHR.
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I suspect that Heathrow's new-found enthusiasm for expanding regional connectivity would evaporate pretty quickly if the regulators insisted that slots that could otherwise be used for longhaul widebodies were instead reserved for regionals with their Dash 8s and ERJs.
Also, there will be no foreign interference from Brussels, the government will be free to decide whether (or not) some slots for thin domestic routes would be ringfenced, which routes would have have PSO status, levels of caps on airport charges, etc.etc..