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Old 8th Jan 2018, 11:34
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
Non-recline seats being fitted on all the NEO`s.
Or in BA speak, permanently reclined seats.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 12:22
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Yes. If somebody reclines in front of me, my knees have to go to the side of my seat. It's not my fault, so why should I put up with it just so somebody in front can lie at a 3-5 degree flatter angle?
Why should someone be denied the chance of some sleep on long haul simply because you refuse to shell out the relative pittance for extra legroom seating? It works both ways surely? If you have an issue that you feel you need to restrict another person using the product they've paid for, then that's not fair on them either. I can deal with the product I am buying, for those who aren't comfortable with the product they have paid for, i.e. those who feel too cramped, then surely it's reasonable to pay more rather than restrict the fairly small comfort option of the person in front, i.e. the by now minor recline.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 13:56
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By the same regard, why should someone be denied the ability to sit comfortably, never mind sleep, on a long haul flight because the person sitting in front decides to intrude into your seating area?

The person who is reclining is increasing their personal space, thus taking away space from the person behind. Surely it's less fair for the person who's losing space, rather than the person who is being denied even more space.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:17
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British Airways to wet-lease A319 capacity in late 1Q18


Where are the A319's coming from, anybody know.........
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:20
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There's been mention of Germania operating out of Gatwick shortly, leased in. Not sure if there's more to come?
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:20
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I believe Germania has been mentioned somewhere.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:31
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losing space, rather than the person who is being denied even more space.
Fair point but you rather get it back if you recline yourself. It depends if the person is trying to work perhaps?
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:35
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So no good if you're on the last row, next to the W/c's
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:41
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
British Airways to wet-lease A319 capacity in late 1Q18


Where are the A319's coming from, anybody know.........
Mores to the point, why?

Did someone mention pensions?
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:56
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Trouble is if one person reclines then EVERYONE behind them has to do the same to retain any space at all at current seat pitches
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 15:32
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Why should someone be denied the chance of some sleep on long haul simply because you refuse to shell out the relative pittance for extra legroom seating?
Pittance? Any form of premium cabins are more than a pittance. Why should I be forced to pay extra, I didn't choose to be 6'4. If nobody reclines their seat, nobody has a problem. Economy is never going to be comfortable, and nobody is ever going to get a good night's sleep, recline or not. But the difference between reclining and not reclining into us tall folk is the difference between slightly uncomfortable and completely unbearable. I can't put me knees in the overhead compartment.

And believe me, they're going to get less sleep with my knees crushed into their seat than they would if they chose not to be selfish in the first place.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 16:06
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If nobody reclines their seat, nobody has a problem.
I'm not being awkward but you're 6'4" tall and the only way you are going to be half comfy is to fork out for the extra legroom seats on long haul. It's not reasonable to say "no one has a problem" because on long haul, there *is* an expectation to be able to recline and try and get some rest. I came back on the (very) tight B787-8 last year and a chap in the aisle of my row protested that the lady in front had reclined, he was told in no uncertain terms to stop kicking her seat. The meal was over and the lady wanted to get some rest, he was being unreasonable and was explicitly ordered to desist. If you're 6'4", frankly you're too big to be flying in a tight Y class seat, so either fork out a little extra or shoosh but you don't get to make your problems someone elses because you're not prepared to accept the relatively poor product offered in the class of travel you purchased.
So no good if you're on the last row, next to the W/c's
Don't blame the rest of us for their lack of forward planning
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 16:08
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BAW state BACF will operate over some of the ex MON LGW slots for them this summer.
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No other reason than curiosity, but I'm wondering how the BACF crews feel about this expansion of weekend flights from the rest of the UK and now Gatwick which started last year and now seems to be becoming a permanent feature.

Presumably one of the few benefits of a BACF job was that, for years, weekend work was fairly limited because of the LCY restrictions. But now it seems that BACF will soon become a full 24/7 operation and one of the few benefits is likely to disappear.

Has this change been welcomed amongst those crews ?
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 18:11
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[/BAW state BACF will operate over some of the ex MON LGW slots for them this summer.
Cityflyer will be operating TRN/AMS/GLA and EDI on selected routes/dates from LGW on behalf of BA. Seems like the CAA is not happy with BA's request to lease in QR a/c and has therefore been forced BA to look elsewhere to lease in extra capacity to cover the purchased Monarch LGW slots. Titan/Germania and BACF so far.

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but you don't get to make your problems someone elses because you're not prepared to accept the relatively poor product offered in the class of travel you purchased.
As you'll find out when you end up in the seat in front of me, yes I can. I don't choose to kick the chair in front because I don't like it, the seat reclines into my knees and they naturally go into the back of it.

If you're suggesting that BA should upgrade me on some sort of medical grounds, or that they should put a height limit on economy seats, I'd be happy to support your cause. But they don't, and as far as I'm concerned, I have a right to not face physical injury just because somebody like you reckons they can get an extra 10 minutes sleep whilst pi*sing off the rest of those around them.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 18:15
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Presumably one of the few benefits of a BACF job was that, for years, weekend work was fairly limited because of the LCY restrictions.

Sunday afternoon/evening has always been a full service time for BACF, and while some of the rosters may be longer than before, eg EDI-LCY-PMI and return in a shift, they get you through your hours in quicker time than doing short sectors.

Furthermore, the pax apparently remain a decent bunch compared to the Luton lot to the same destinations. Someone observed that on the Mediterranean flights they very often see familiar faces from the rest of the year heading to Frankfurt or Edinburgh.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 18:52
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TURIN - I believe its Germania, there are a number of additional services to Tenerife and Lanzarote for February half term.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
As you'll find out when you end up in the seat in front of me, yes I can. I don't choose to kick the chair in front because I don't like it, the seat reclines into my knees and they naturally go into the back of it.

If you're suggesting that BA should upgrade me on some sort of medical grounds, or that they should put a height limit on economy seats, I'd be happy to support your cause. But they don't, and as far as I'm concerned, I have a right to not face physical injury just because somebody like you reckons they can get an extra 10 minutes sleep whilst pi*sing off the rest of those around them.
I’m 6’2 and I choose airlines who will allow me to pick seats with extra leg room for a small premium. Recently flew in Finnair Econ Comfort on the A350 for an extra €150, it was pretty acceptable for a 10hr flight. Why should an airline therefore choose to upgrade you for free when they provide the opportunity to buy more space?

Anyway that aside, the issue is actually on the airline to resolve. 10 years ago, Qantas installed a hard shell, reclining seat in economy complete with a foot net on their A380 ie. it slides forward to create recline.I remember it to have been very comfortable (for an economy seat) on the 22 hours flying to Australia. So the technology exists to shove in more seats, not reduce hugely actual leg room and also enable a bit of recline.

Instead of a “my rights are more important than yours” debate, perhaps the energy would be better spent lobbying BA to install a seat in the same tune as installed by Qantas YEARS ago.

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Old 8th Jan 2018, 19:34
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TURIN - I believe its Germania, there are a number of additional services to Tenerife and Lanzarote for February half term.
Oh ok. I did wonder if Mr Cruz was getting his house in order pending the ballot result.
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