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Old 15th Jul 2013, 09:04
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Heathrow to close, Isle of Grain, Stansted and Thames estury as hub

Boris Johnson plans announced today suggest Heathrow would close under his plans, becoming a new town with 250000 population.....
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Here is the release - sorry for the poor formatting - done in a rush..

July 15 (Press Association) -- The answerto the UK's airport problemcould be "Foster Island" rather than "Boris Island"under proposals from London Mayor Boris Johnson.

Mr Johnson did put forward his outerThames Estuary, artificial island plan - dubbed "Boris Island"- for a new four-runway hub airport in a report published today. But he alsosaid that a new, four-runway airport on the Isle of Grain on the Hoo Peninsulain Kent- a plan already

outlined byarchitect Lord Foster - should be considered. And Mr Johnson's third proposal for afour-runway hub would be at Stansted in Essex,where the existing airport would be expanded.

Mr Johnson's plans, which rule outexpansion at Heathrow airport in west London,will be submitted later this week to

theGovernment-appointed Airport Commission headed by Sir Howard Davies.

Mr Johnson said that a new hub airportwould be able to support more than 375,000 new jobs by 2050 and add 742billion

to thevalue of goods and services produced in the UK. He said a new hub airport could bedelivered by 2029, with a hybrid bill being passed by parliament to secure approvalfor the airport, the surface access and the acquisition of Heathrow.

The benefits of each of the three airportoptions were listed:

:: THE ISLE OF GRAIN - The inner estuary site is close enough to London to provide smoothand fast access by public

transport,yet ideally located so as to allow take-off and landing over water and soimpact on as small a population as

possible. It sits in an area with a strongindustrial history, and is across the water from the new DP World LondonGateway Port.

A new hubairport there would lay the foundation for a future logistics heartland of the UK.



:: AN OUTER ESTUARY SITE - An airport on an artificial island off the Kent coastwould remove all problems of noise

pollutionand give the airport the freedom to operate in whatever way it needed in orderto maximise the UK'sconnectivity and economic benefits.

:: STANSTED - Developing a majorfour-runway airport at Stansted would have the attraction of building onexisting infrastructure and being sited in a relatively sparsely populatedregion, Stansted has none of the environmental or wildlife issues that wouldneed to be overcome in the estuary. Talking about the future of the Heathrowarea should a new airport be sited elsewhere, Mr Johnson said that part of westLondon, with good transport links, had the thespace and infrastructure to generate up to 100,000 new homes that London

badlyneeded. There was the potential toattract tens of thousands of jobs in a number of different sectors and whilesome workers at

Heathrowwould relocate to the new airport, many others would find work in anewly-developed Heathrow area.



Mr Johnson said: "Ambitious citiesall over the world are already stealing a march on us and putting themselves ina position to eat London'sbreakfast, lunch and dinner by constructing mega airports that plug themdirectly into the global supply chains that we need to be part of. "Those cities have moved heaven andearth to locate their airports away from their major centres of population, inareas

where theyhave been able to build airports with four runways or more or more. "



He went on: "For Londonand the wider UKto remain competitive we have to build an airport capable of emulating

that scaleof growth. Anyone who believes there would be the space to do that at Heathrow,which already blights the lives

of hundredsof thousands of Londoners, is quite simply crackers."



Mr Johnson's chief adviser on aviation,Daniel Moylan, said: "Heathrow can never solve our problems and ourstudies

show thatwe're better off with a new site. "The immense noise, pollution andcongestion that would result from expanding an airport located in the heart ofour suburbs would potentially devastate the greatest city in the world. "
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Watch yourself on Sky news
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Better idea...... Build a new town on Boris Island and relocate all the suburbs from around Heathrow to there. Now clear the area around Heathrow and build two more runways. The solution for Heathrow and the South East is simple do what the airlines want and the business will follow. However the simple solution wont happen because it is not being looked at as an airline/business solution but as a political solution so therefore yet again we will talk and talk and not do anything hoping the problem will just go away. The big problem with that is that UK plc will again lose out in a big way and Amsterdam, Paris and Frankfurt will all be rubbing there hand s with glee.
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And leave the M4 corridor (and companies like Oracle, Amazon and Vodafone) detached from any decent airport.

We'll see how that goes.
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The solution for Heathrow and the South East is simple do what the airlines want and the business will follow.
That's all very well xtypeman, but there are other priorities for London and the South East besides what benefits the airlines and airline business. However important air travel is to the economy it is still only a small part of it and there are many other interests to be considered and served. I would expect the Mayor and other public representatives to look for a balance between all these interests.
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Boris Johnson to demand that Heathrow is bought in 15bn taxpayer-funded deal and replaced with homes for 250,000 people | Mail Online

15 Billion of public money before tens of thousands of jobs lost.
Perhaps this is what happens when you elect an unqualified journalist and amusing after dinner speaker with no record of team work and project management to a major position.
Look, this clown can't even get a good deal on a ****ing bus with windows that open, why are we taking this nonsense seriously? He should just stick to serial shagging around IMHO. An Eton education is a wonderful thing....

Mr Johnson's chief adviser on aviation,Daniel Moylan, said: "Heathrow can never solve our problems and ourstudies
I saw this guy recently at a debate, he's a wannabe Boris clone who was clearly winging it, he's not serious.Again, another amusing speaker.
Daniel Moylan joined the TfL Board in August 2008 and served as Deputy Chairman of TfL from 2009 to 2012. He has been a Conservative councillor in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea since 1990 and was Deputy Leader of the Council from 2000 to 2011. He is Chairman of Kensington and Chelsea Environmental Limited and co-chairs Urban Design London. He is a non-executive director of a property investment trust.
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A well connected Tory with, wait for it, (can you guess?), no industry experience, never had a proper job and excels in spending other people's money.

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I would expect the Mayor and other public representatives to look for a balance between all these interests.
I would expect the Mayor and other public representatives to look at what they think would get them the most votes!

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It's a typical 'non-joined' up transport policy. The idea of the 'Boris Island' airport is sound but only if it has a ground infrastructure enabling it to serve place such as (mentioned elsewhere) the M4 corridor, with reliable, fast, frequent and moderately priced direct rail services.

I still maintain that Birmingham is the best of all the UK's current airports for expansion into a real hub. Not ideal, by any means, but the least bad.
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I still maintain that Birmingham is the best of all the UK's current airports for expansion into a real hub. Not ideal, by any means, but the least bad.
How are you defining "least bad"? Is it handy for West London? Reading? Thames Valley?
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I think he must be a Ferrovial share holder.... Given the whole company is only trading at 9.2bn off loading Heathrow at 15bn would be a nice trade!
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15bn just to close the site. How much more to build the new one, including road, rail, infrastructure, hotels, offices, cargo, etc. Seriously, Borris should be given a job in China.

This would be a project twice the scale of HKG.

Think of all the structural unemployment of people working minimum salary jobs who could not afford the transport costs to the new airport and who cannot move out of their houses right beside heathrow. i suppose these people don't vote tory anyway.
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:: AN OUTER ESTUARY SITE - An airport on an artificial island off the Kent coastwould remove all problems of noise

pollutionand give the airport the freedom to operate
Don't we already have this on reclaimed land just beyond the Thames Estuary called "The Netherlands"?
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From the above link to The Daily Mail...
Stansted could also be expanded from two to four runways in 'compromise'
Another golden moment for journalism.
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But I was told there are two runways already. Runway 22 and runway 04, don't know wot the numbers mean though.
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22 and 04 is the same bit of tarmace, just looked at from opposite ends. It is based on magnetic direction of the runway i.e. Runway 22 points approximately 220 degrees, 04 is 180 the other way.

Apologies to those that know this i.e. probably most readers.

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Boris Johnson plans announced today suggest Heathrow would close under his plans, becoming a new town with 250000 population.....
And in other news, a Rabbi shot down a flying pig and invited his friends along for a barbecue.

How much money did they spend on T5 ? How much money have they just spent on T2 ? How many lost jobs ?

Not gonna happen. LHR is here to stay.

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I'd take anything BJ says about airport expansion/building with a pinch of salt. His ideas are, quite frankly, preposterous.

I've always wondered why Manston is so off the table. I know the connections aren't great, but surely building good infrastructure to there would be cheaper and make more sense than plonking a huge airport in somewhere totally unviable.
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