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Old 17th Jul 2013, 11:27
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I was on the Tom30 flight to Cancun. The delay of two hours was due to crew and the previous days divert. The aeroplane is fantastic, quiet, lighting is very different, wings take a bit of getting used to as they are bouncing around but the turbulence on the plane much reduced. The crew seemed genuinely happy to be working on this craft and whilst we were a tad apprehensive thoroughly enjoyed the flight. I hope these initial teething troubles are fixed quickly.
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Old 18th Jul 2013, 23:03
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According to a statement by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration quoted by local Boston station WCVB, the plane had a fuel pump problem. The crew decided to return to Boston after an indicator light came on signaling that there may be an issue.
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Old 19th Jul 2013, 04:25
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beamender99, different aircraft and story.
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Old 19th Jul 2013, 05:32
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I think he was referring to this in todays news

Maintenance light prompts flight to return to Boston - CNN.com
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Old 19th Jul 2013, 05:59
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At post #56

I very much tend to agree and given the bird below was the 2nd off the line and has flown many thousands of hours in safety; including years carrying 380 bums on seats to tourist destinations all over the shop (as G-GCAL with CalAir/Novair) and is stil going strong.
Yet look at the early history this very new technology aircraft had.

Photo: N220AU (CN: 46501) ORBIS Flying Eye Hospital McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10 by Juan Carlos Aponte - JetPhotos.Net

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Old 21st Jul 2013, 23:12
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It would seem that the Boeing Ops Center would know exactly what was wrong with the aircraft.

Aircraft Health Management for 787

"This communications center tells Boeing and the airline that owns the jet what's going on with every system inside the planes. Each plane is sending up to 5,000 indications about itself at any time, including the oil level in the Auxiliary Power Unit, the status of the heater that keeps the pilot's cockpit windows free of ice and the health of the recently modified lithium-ion batteries. If needed, the team can call up over 140,000 sources of data on each jet."
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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 10:09
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Boeing Ops Center

Anyone from Rolls Royce here ? Don't they have a similar monitoring centre for their aviation engines ?
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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 10:42
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Aircraft Health Management for 787

"This communications center tells Boeing and the airline that owns the jet what's going on with every system inside the planes. Each plane is sending up to 5,000 indications about itself at any time, including the oil level in the Auxiliary Power Unit, the status of the heater that keeps the pilot's cockpit windows free of ice and the health of the recently modified lithium-ion batteries. If needed, the team can call up over 140,000 sources of data .... "
I wonder how long before the stats/data collected by these systems become used as another bean counter tool to help carry out individual crew 'performance' analysis or benchmarking...

That is of course if they are not already being used for that purpose
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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 12:49
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Anyone from Rolls Royce here ? Don't they have a similar monitoring centre for their aviation engines ?
Not sure about all their aero engines but the Trent 900 is monitored 24/7 worldwide as are many of their more recent sea-going engines and power generation units. Apparently this is done to help develop maintenance schedules rather than fault find.

(I remember having doubts about the main bearings on my GSXR600R as a youth and spending the best part of three days removing the engine from the bike and then stripping it down to the crank. There was nothing wrong with the bearings (it turned out to be a fuelling problem!) but cost me nearly £200 in replacement gaskets and oil seals to find that out. Now a #3 engine on an A380 flying at 39,000ft on the other side of the world can have its vibration spectrum analysed to check on the state of a bearing at the click of a mouse.

Isn't technology marvellous? )
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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 14:47
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Operations Room features in The Jet Engine (6 edition) chapter 3.3 "maintenance".
Other hints of the concept maturity and scope on such monitoring can estimated from:-
Engine Monitoring Multiplex Unit can be fitted on RB211-524G/H-T (B747-400 & B767-300)
http://www.ingenia.org.uk/ingenia/is...e39/waters.pdf
http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/tec...df/2012_i2.pdf pp16/17
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Great/Thanks.
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Old 26th Aug 2013, 00:33
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It's already started!
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Old 5th Sep 2013, 03:21
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Great Thomson 787 photo for the pilots taken at Tenerife:

G-TUID - Thomson Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner at Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia | Photo ID 317471 | Airplane-Pictures.net

I bet some of the Thomson pilots will be able to recognize these 2 pilots. Great photo!
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Any details of Flight number/destination ? Thanks
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Old 5th Sep 2013, 10:30
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TOM2203 /MAN

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Old 10th Oct 2013, 01:52
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Looks like another electrical problem with the lavatories.

"Toilets shutdown force B-787 returns to Moscow

Malfunctioning cabin toilets have forced a Japan Airlines Dreamliner bound for Tokyo to return to Moscow. The airline suspects an electrical problem.

Airline officials say the mid-flight malfunction occurred on Wednesday afternoon.

The jetliner was carrying 151 crew and passengers when it changed its destination to an embarking airport in Moscow and landed safely 5 hours later.

They say the plane was fine on the outward journey from Tokyo to Moscow.

Dreamliners were grounded earlier this year after a string of battery problems. But the airline insists the two problems are unrelated.
Oct. 9, 2013 - Updated 23:08 UTC"
Toilets shutdown force B-787 returns to Moscow -NHK WORLD English-

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Old 10th Oct 2013, 06:45
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OFSO - I'm ex-RR.

As you say they have a 24/7 Ops centre staffed by engineers continually monitoring the health of any engines they monitor (I'm not familiar with which engines they cover in addition to 8/9/1000 series Trents). However, I cant be 100% as I didnt have much to do with post-production but I seem to recall them saying that they only proactively monitor those that take out a monitoring contract but passively monitor all engines.

As above they primarily monitor engine health to determine when proactive preventative maintenance is required and gather data for engine development and future projects, however, an in-flight engine abnormality/part failure on any engine with the data transmitters will alert the Ops room who will then alert the operator and, if neccesary, dispatch and engineering team to meet the aircraft.

Their claim to fame for customer service being when they had a long-haul flight alert the RR Operations Centre for abnormal in-flight vibration, above normal but below the safety limit, and because they received the alert on engines they had a line maintenance contract for they had engineers waiting on ramp when the aircraft arrived with the neccesary parts required to do the works. Aircrew had no idea that they'd had an issue as RR monitoring had allowed the engineers to intervene before the vibration had even reached the EICAS alert limit.

The engineers are also able to remotely adjust the FADEC settings to help deal with in-flight problems.

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