STN.......do you think

[TOWTEAMBASE]

There will ever be room for another handling agent. As I year went by on the 8th feb that servisair staff tuped to Menzies, there seems little or no sign of more airlines to make it worthwhile. There are now more FBO's than pax handlers. Come on MAG......give us some hope

[Buster the Bear]

£1.5bn, MAG will save the day!

[TOWTEAMBASE]

But can they make it attractable ?

[LTNman]

They could buy Luton Airport and clear the land. They could then dismantle Stansted bit by bit and move the parts 30 miles west and place it close to the M1 and then rename it Stansted West.

[TOWTEAMBASE]

Unfortunately it would still make it In
LTN.......

[daz211]

Here we go again !
Every time a thread is opened regarding Stansted
The lutonites feel the need to rush over and spoil
It all ... Funny really I mean with Luton being such
A world class Airport in a major city you would think
With so many Airlines lined up just waiting for a slot
To open up so they can base a whole fleet of brand
New aircraft and fly to magical destinations around
The globe the lutonites would be busy talking about
Their own thread I'm surprised they have the
Time to comment on the stansted threads at all...
P.s. have you managed to save up for a train station
Yet ? Or you lot still happy with the bus ?

[TOWTEAMBASE]

Love it daz love it. Well said

[FRatSTN]

I agree, Well said.

[Ringwayman]

Can anyone seriously have expected MAG to have announced loads of new routes and airlines when the all the "proper" formalities need to be sorted out. They could hardly have gone to an airline whilst discussing the bid and said..."We may be buying Stansted. We'd like you to start services to Shangri-La using your most modern equipment. We're not in a position to give you an figures regarding the costs of operating into Stansted if we take over but surely you can estimate and give us your opinion?"

if they can't get airlines to start routes with known demand to the main airport in the group despite talking to them for years, perhaps you will then reign in what your expectations are.

As for ground-handling, if it was that worthwhile then other companies would be aiming to launch their operations. That one has transferred business to a competitor speaks volumes about the profitability of providing such services at STN.

[LTNman]

daz211 wrote

The lutonites feel the need to rush over and spoil

I think you need to lighten up a little or did you not understand the symbol at the end of my post

I am just glad I did not suggest clearing the land at Stansted in case that statement put you in hospital.

[TOWTEAMBASE]

Ringwayman

I wasn't expecting things to change over night. I've been in the business long enough to know nothing is certain until the 1st aircraft pulls on stand and you stick chocks under it, my " come on
MAG" referred to the future. And servisair still hold a handling licence at STN, albeit cargo. The airport costs are the killer (ticket desks etc). Just be nice to give Menzies and swissport a run for their money that's all, as I know things are still far from being Rosey for the current airlines handled by them

[codpiece face]

We are Lutonian's not Lutonite's.

[TOWTEAMBASE]

Lutonutters ;-) (I jest)

[Jes]

Why was this thread started? It seems very ill-tempered, and there is already a STN thread in use.

[wb9999]

TOWTEAMBASE, MAG do not own Stansted yet. The formalities are expected to be completed by the end of this month. Until then, it is still officially owned by Heathrow Airport Holdings Limited (aka BAA).

[TOWTEAMBASE]

It was started because it was a genuine question, I'm sure there's 100's of duplicate threads on here if you look.

I stand corrected with the MAG statement, in that case.... Please SOMEONE make STN busy again
;-)

[FRatSTN]

The reason why Stansted has suffered so much is because BAA havn't put in the amount of effort it deserves. They have sat there on their backsides and done nothing but put up a fight for an airport whilst they watch it slip into decline and done nothing to try and go about it except consistantly appealing the courts. Clearly just a bit on the side purely to help Heathrow out finincially.

Once MAG take control, Stansted will be in very good hands. Stansted will probably be the London airport with the strongest owners in a sense as MAG have worked with all the different types of airlines, from LCC's, to holiday charters, to full service flag carriers in large amounts for a very long time, giving them great experince and understanding in what each type requires to find their airport attractive.

I'm sure MAG will bring those valuable skills to Stansted and transform it back into it's former glory and back to the position where it should be. GIP and Gatwick have done it but the difference is, they can no longer take advantage of Stansted's poor and uncertain ownership.

[Skipness One Echo]

because BAA havn't put in the amount of effort it deserves.

Such as? Lead customer almost flies for free, legacies lost interest and left, long haul doesn't work well in comparison to even LGW, never mind LHR.

[FRatSTN]

Do you genuinely believe that BAA has put in their maximum level of commitment to find new operators, create the best possible passenger experince at Stansted and have done everything in their power to get Stansted growing again. I really don't think so!!!

Think of some examples:

EasyJet cuts Stansted by about 30% in 2 years to move into a much smaller rival airport. Any half decent operator would be like "no we're not having this" and do everything possible to fight to get them back. However, the amazing effort by BAA actually involves them just shrugging it off!

Lots of key and well perfoming routes have been lost. Belfast City is no longer served, only International. After BmiBaby's closure, the route was lost and despite performing well, has BAA really tried to find a replacement operator. NO, they did nothing whatsoever!

Think of all their airlines that have shifted presence to Gatwick and Luton in recent years. Norwegian, WOW Air, Air Berlin, Air Asia X, Atlantic Airways, Blue Air, El Al not to mention all the others that have since left Stansted like Cyprus Airways and Atlasjet and going even further back, Transavia (admitedly some of those have now left London altogether). There is no effort by BAA to try and maintain these services or indeed replace them.

An airport cannot just succeed by itself whether it be the size of Heathrow or Teesside. It has to be owned by the right people who will put in the maximum level of commitment, which I think we all know MAG are going to do. MAG will step in and be like...

"Right, look at all these operators Stansted has lost. They clearly saw something in Stansted, let's really get Gatwick and Luton quaking in their boots and fight for these services to come back. And let's offer LCC's fantastic financial deals they can't refuse by us recognising this is an alternative, low-cost gateway to London and let us bring all the skills, experience and relationships with a whole range of airlines we have at manchester to attract them into Stansted as well!"

That is what I call effort and commitment!!!

[wb9999]

Unless any of us are directly involved in negotiations with/at STN, it's unfair to assume that nothing is being done behind the scenes. And even if their efforts have been lacking recently, you can hardly blame them when they've known for a few years that it was likely that they would have dispose of STN.

There's a limit to what STN can do if other airports are offering lower fees. They can't just slash their fees for one operator to match/beat a competing airport, as every other operator would want the same deal. Places like Southend have nothing to lose by doing everything they can to entice Easyjet. If STN matched the deal that Easyjet got at Southend, you can bet Ryanair and the other airlines would be demanding their fees are slashed. Net result = STN's income declines by much more than if they just accept they will lose some routes. And this would have lowered the price that they get when selling STN.