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Old 7th Jan 2017, 21:07
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I have a visit to BHX ATC on Sunday am so I will ask about the work to restore the Cat 3
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 21:26
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Restoration to Cat 1 would be a start. It is incredulous that the airport would plan these works in the winter.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 21:30
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I think you have hit the nail on the head - with multiple daily departures to a huge range of US gateways from LHR and increasingly MAN I don't see any new US services front BHX for the foreseeable future, they just don't seem to work in terms of high yield front end traffic and cannot compete in terms of frequency. The unfortunate withdraw of AA and lack of response from UA will hardly have other airlines rushing in to start US flights from BHX.

As for Norwegian, perhaps we're in with a chance as they're already brand aware in the Midlands but I should imagine they're pushing hard for a deal and BHX are not known for that - I can see BRS getting a flight over BHX if this is the case.

I think we have to be thankful UA still operate and that we also have excellent one stop connections to many US cities with Aer Lingua and Icelandair.

India - is there something new in the pipeline?

And what's happened to China, it's all gone very quiet after so much high profile PR in 2016 about the importance of getting a BHX - China route....

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I don't see anything on the BMI Regional website for any of these destinations? The only flight bookable is Brussels (SN codeshare).....am I missing something?
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Old 8th Jan 2017, 01:56
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Originally Posted by darkbarly
HT, on the basis that you posted the following yesterday...



...would you care to post your facts in support of this claim re Flybe.

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WTF....its a rumours forum....fecks sake ....are up that stupid, u didn't read the name of the site u were signing up to?
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Old 8th Jan 2017, 08:14
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India - is there something new in the pipeline?

I don't see anything on the BMI Regional website for any of these destinations? The only flight bookable is Brussels (SN codeshare).....am I missing something?

Air India are due to announce extra services, with some going on to Toronto

The three new destinations are showing on the British Midland Regional timetable search
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 10:27
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s17 Update

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Have added 2 x weekly A319 to Larnaca on Wed & Sat (a 11:55/d 12:55)

Flybe
New weekly charter to Preveza on Sun (a 18:40/d 11:05)
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Have added 2 x weekly A319 to Larnaca on Wed & Sat (a 11:55/d 12:55)

Is that just a continuation of the current schedule albeit different times?
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 10:24
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11,639,738 passengers travelled through the airport over the course of 2016, an increase of 14.2%

https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...#5874baab6579a
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Have added 2 x weekly A319 to Larnaca on Wed & Sat (a 11:55/d 12:55)

Is that just a continuation of the current schedule albeit different times?
Yes, some thought it was not going to continue into the summer, but good to see it will carry on
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BHX December passengers up an amazing 23.7% 2017 should be even busier.
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Chinese flights

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/birmingham-airport-talks-over-new-12451779
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 07:01
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Birmingham Airport talks over new China flights - Birmingham Post

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Old 14th Jan 2017, 09:58
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This will cheer you up...not...

http://www.traveldailymedia.com/2456...in-birmingham/
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Just underlines how much demand there is from Gtr Birmingham for flights to China.
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Just underlines how much demand there is from Gtr Birmingham for flights to China.
When talking of Scheduled Long Haul you must view a much larger market than the 7 boroughs.

In planning the airlines consider many things including proximity of alternate Hubs and their accessibility.

When the operators of Birmingham Airport begin to square and identify the relevant markets and catchment is when they might begin to draw the attention of appropriate business.

Chasing a China connection worse seemingly thinking an irregular tourist service might suffice is imho a recipe for failure.

Think what is the regional demand (both ways) - does it differ from a few tourists going to Stratford, Bicester Village and onto the metropolis

Is the demand driven by boxes or organic blobs.

Is there much in the way of VFR to fill the back of the bus.

Etc.....

Then you have to look at the arbitrary and legislative barriers being imposed by state agencies.

Right now there remain some pretty high hurdles to climb particularly in Sino-UK aviation.

Whilst the number of available slot pairs have been increased by both sides, the effects on the ground appear to have stalled quite significantly.

BA have actually pulled a China service, Tianjin have had their application for additional flights declined !

Access/slot restrictions mean any further LHR flight awards may be difficult and Hainan appear to be considering adding a tag on the Manchester service with a slight frequency increase but possible drop in overall capacity on the Man- PEK sector.

Air China are engaged in domestic territorial warfare with China Eastern and local government agencies in Shanghai specifically around the Central Government One Airline One route policies.

Central government preferred operator for high yield premier routes is Air China whilst China Eastern has been allowed to build a significant regional network out of Shanghai in support of the local development agencies.

Current standoff Air China has been award a number of international routes from Shanghai including one to the UK and another to Spain but can't get local slots

Compound all this with the difficulty (As opposed to ease of a Schegan VISA) for the middle class Chinese tourist outside of Beijing in getting a UK tourist VISA, whilst the student VISA processes become even more arduously scrutinised and its little wonder Paris gets more Chinese visitors than the whole of the UK today is it.

Summarisation perhaps Birmingham Airport from an economic perspective would be better looking a little more widely than focusing on a Chinese link at the moment.

Think Air India and the proposed return of the Toronto tag - That would give the airport a real advantage over Manchester in two important markets when the UK leave the EU.

Right now Manchester has just one weekly winter quasi charter service to Canada and continues to struggle in winning any scheduled direct connections to India what so ever.

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An interesting and informative post rutankrd.Many thanks.
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Indeed very interesting, and the point regarding visas is especially well made, and despite government rhetoric a few months ago isn't likely to get better anytime soon.

However, where I differ is that BHX is that much closer to London than Manchester, so, especially for leisure passengers, BHX is a viable option for Chinese operators as an entry point to service Stratford, the Cotswolds, Bicester Outlet and the honeypot that is London.

Whether BHX actually gets a Chinese service, well my glass is half empty on that one, and I too think that expansion of the AI offer may prove more lucrative, given the demographics of the Midlands, and also the large Punjabi population in and around Toronto.
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November Pax

DUBLIN 81,490 up 6.77 %
AMSTERDAM 51,159 up 9.38 %
DUBAI 50,596 down-4.34 %
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA) 33,281 up 33.70 %
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE) 32,534 up 4.92 %
EDINBURGH 24,271 0.00 %
BELFAST CITY 23,017 up 12.00 %
DUSSELDORF 22,902 up 14.94 %
ALICANTE 21,979 up 5.92 %
MALAGA 21,503 up 8.35 %
BELFAST INT 21,343 up 3.00 %
GLASGOW 21,128up 8.00 %
FRANKFURT MAIN 19,537 down -0.24 %
ARRECIFE 18,110 down -2.08 %
BARCELONA 16,240 down -0.12 %
MUNICH 14,317 down -1.20 %
FUERTEVENTURA 12,055 up 13.48 %
BRUSSELS 11,666 down -2.07 %
ABERDEEN 10,536 up 22.00 %
DOHA HAMAD 10,243 0.00 %
LAS PALMAS 9,714 up 18.84 %
MADRID 8,838 up 350.23 %
FARO 8,789 up 5.32 %
ISTANBUL 8,615 down -19.99 %
COPENHAGEN 8,483 down -2.86 %
DELHI 7,028down -42.25 %
ZURICH 6,583 down -7.27 %
MILAN (MALPENSA) 6,556 down -11.69 %
ISLAMABAD 6,551 up 11.28 %
BERLIN (TEGEL) 6,532 up 47.62 %
AMRITSAR 6,458 0.00 %
STUTTGART 6,328 up 8.36 %
BRIDGETOWN 6,264 up 7.76 %
CORK 6,191 up 8.33 %
SOFIA 5,925 0.00 %
CANCUN 4,937 down -1.87 %
NEW YORK (JF KENNEDY) 4,779 up 4.80 %
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 4,741 down -35.08 %
BRATISLAVA 4,671 up 21.96 %
MALTA 4,464 up 46.31 %
BYDGOSZCZ 4,298 up 2.04 %
WARSAW (CHOPIN) 3,936 up 55.08 %
ROME (FIUMICINO) 3,889 down -8.86 %
PALMA DE MALLORCA 3,883 up 9.60 %
INVERNESS 3,556 up 16.00 %
BUDAPEST 3,507 up 62.51 %
FUNCHAL 3,468 down -14.45 %
KEFLAVIK 3,445 up 23.17 %
PRAGUE 3,322 0.00 %
LISBON 3,282 0.00 %
HANOVER 3,266 down -36.11 %
LYON 3,264 down -4.76 %
GDANSK 3,261 up 7.55 %
PAPHOS 3,255 up 4.66 %
KRAKOW 3,231 Up 1.25 %
ILHA DO SAL C.VERDE 3,152 up 90.80 %
MURCIA SAN JAVIER 3,143 up 1064.07 %
PUNTA CANA 3,120 0.00 %
WARSAW (MODLIN MASOVIA) 3,1110.00 %
VERONA VILLAFRANCA 2,979 0.00 %
MONTEGO BAY 2,972 up 38.88 %
ROTTERDAM 2,944 0.00 %
JERSEY 2,848 Down -10.00 %
ISLE OF MAN 2,800 up 5.00 %
KATOWICE 2,788 down -11.94 %
ASHKHABAD 2,730 down -25.51 %
BANJUL 2,725 up 109.13 %
SHANNON 2,696 up 7.84 %
VILNIUS 2,695 0.00 %
GUERNSEY 2,681 down -13.00 %
BUCHAREST (OTOPENI) 2,642 0.00 %
LARNACA 2,610 down -36.60 %
TOULOUSE (BLAGNAC) 2,359 0.00 %
WROCLAW 2,285 0.00 %
POZNAN 2,229 0.00 %
GIBRALTAR 2,117 down -40.92 %
BOA VISTA (RABIL) 2,044 up 35.99 %
IRELAND WEST(KNOCK) 1,915 0.00 %
LUXEMBOURG 1,875 0.00 %
HURGHADA 1,659 Up 13.55 %
MARRAKESH 1,473 up 86.93 %
HAMBURG 1,442 down -23.58 %
NANTES 1,021 up 3984.00 %
PADERBORN 1,003 down -35.79 %
VENICE 676 up 271.43 %
DALAMAN 676 up 220.38 %
CORFU 199 0.00 %
IBIZA 188 0.00 %
MUNSTER-OSNABRUCK 151 0.00 %
ALMERIA 135 0.00 %
OSTEND 130 0.00 %
NEWCASTLE 55 down -94.00 %
SOUTHAMPTON 55 0.00 %
PARIS (LE BOURGET) 45 0.00 %
MILAN (LINATE) 25 0.00 %

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December Pax - highlights

Dublin 80,281 up 13.5%

Dubai 69,485 up 14.4%

Amsterdam 50,376 up 11.%

Tenerife 35,446 up 37.2%

Dusseldorf 22,787 up 27.95%

Delhi / Amritsar 13,479

Malaga 20,302 up 28.1%

Barcelona 16,503 up 20.7%

Doha 12,408

Delhi / Amritsat 13,479

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Old 15th Jan 2017, 22:28
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United & Swiss

United - Newark

Back to daily for the whole of summer rather than just mid-May to Mid - September. EDI also getting small United increases as well.

Swiss

Some booking engines showing Swiss Airbus flights on a regular basis from September on some days. Although the published new CS300 routes did not include BHX (LHR-GVA the only UK route) I wonder if BHX will get them as some show the operating aircraft as A319's yet some if not all are being replaced by the CS300. Wednesday, Friday and Saturday are the main days for the 319/320 in October.

STATS

December are stunning and November not too shabby. You can see why the rumours of Air India increasing and I realise the Indian press can be somewhat unrealistically enthusiastic at times and it is also peak season, they are very good/promising.

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