BIRMINGHAM - 6
It comes down to local topography and the time of day. For example Gatwick is usually foggier at the western end due to the river Mole flowing through that part of tne airfield.Fog though is usually associated with light winds so an approach with a small tailwind should not be a problem unless you are going to overfly the local population and in an autoland we like to fly a stable draggy, noisy approach rather than the usual quiter decellerated type.
Birmingham has a number of berms built around the runway edges and there is a stream at the southern end which may trap the fog in certain parts.It will be interesting to see how the manmade topography affects the RVR..
Birmingham has a number of berms built around the runway edges and there is a stream at the southern end which may trap the fog in certain parts.It will be interesting to see how the manmade topography affects the RVR..
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Emirates reductions reported previously further up this thread.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post9487174
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post9487174
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BHX up 13% in August
Birmingham passengers up 13% in August! Some great growth. 
Source https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk....ngham-airport/
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Source https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk....ngham-airport/
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AA JFK
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The poster forgot to credit airliners.net where the information came from but seems reliable although nobody at BHX has leaked it.
I flew Y in June/July with barely over 100 pax each way, I paid £349 return although to be fair the cost on the days either side were £720 in Y.
Product is as lousy as it gets on Transatlantic but service was actually okay.
The CAA stats explain everything without even considering yields the only mystery is that there were few cheap fares until recently.
Also I think the date shown is US style not GB and it ends 6 January 2017 which would make ore sense.
I still think this route is made for the Norwegian 737 MAX but I understand that BHX might not be in their plans unless this prompts them.
A grim couple of weeks on long-haul with EK41/2 cancelled in November and selected September and October dates.
However short-haul is still looking good!
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The poster forgot to credit airliners.net where the information came from but seems reliable although nobody at BHX has leaked it.
I flew Y in June/July with barely over 100 pax each way, I paid £349 return although to be fair the cost on the days either side were £720 in Y.
Product is as lousy as it gets on Transatlantic but service was actually okay.
The CAA stats explain everything without even considering yields the only mystery is that there were few cheap fares until recently.
Also I think the date shown is US style not GB and it ends 6 January 2017 which would make ore sense.
I still think this route is made for the Norwegian 737 MAX but I understand that BHX might not be in their plans unless this prompts them.
A grim couple of weeks on long-haul with EK41/2 cancelled in November and selected September and October dates.
However short-haul is still looking good!
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Reply to Olton Pete.
I'm being a little bit realistic but perhaps in the light of other regional withdrawals' of services by American Airlines ( I was a regular user of AA23/24), perhaps the "Global Reach aspirations of the Company Management" need to strategically re assessed.
I have a personal emotional attachment to the development of the airport but .... its starting to look like a Long/Medium haul Elephant's graveyard without the Elephant's.
As a business: (again speaking as an outsider) perhaps a Mid-land’s Gatwick is a more realistic ambition. Ultimately it comes down to wealth distribution of the catchment area, combined with the related; broad statistical measure of "propensity to travel"
I speak from direct (non armchair) experience as a AA long haul traveller from BHX. Not a spotter. Now in Cambridge.
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I have a personal emotional attachment to the development of the airport but .... its starting to look like a Long/Medium haul Elephant's graveyard without the Elephant's.
As a business: (again speaking as an outsider) perhaps a Mid-land’s Gatwick is a more realistic ambition. Ultimately it comes down to wealth distribution of the catchment area, combined with the related; broad statistical measure of "propensity to travel"
I speak from direct (non armchair) experience as a AA long haul traveller from BHX. Not a spotter. Now in Cambridge.
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Very sad and bad news if true re AA. How can an airport like BHX not maintain a JFK service !? Like Pete says the US airlines do not help themselves, the metal used is awful in 2016 terms. I do not think this will be the last termination either, I'd be surprised if MAN escapes unscathed. Real blows for regional flying.
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Birmingham is one step forward, and sadly one step back. Just as I thought the dam might open.
Manchester may indeed lose out BUT it is 5 steps forward maybe just 1 back.
LA Miami Boston San Francisco. ....not sure I need to go on.
Totally different market.
Manchester may indeed lose out BUT it is 5 steps forward maybe just 1 back.
LA Miami Boston San Francisco. ....not sure I need to go on.
Totally different market.
I would be interested to know the business/ leisure split for these long haul AA services. For a businessman travelling regularly the chaotic and dated nature of the airport until you can get out into the gate area is a real turn off. For AA you are connecting into one of their hubs but how did the arrival time match with onward connections in their network? AA is a Oneworld member and do you get better connections by traveling through LHR? The equipment AA used at BHX did not offer a huge amount of seats so realistically is the airport going to miss it?
Passengers in the leisure market vote with their creditcard and Norwegian are offering some very cheap flights to similar destinations from LGW.
Passengers in the leisure market vote with their creditcard and Norwegian are offering some very cheap flights to similar destinations from LGW.
JFK flights have been on and off since the 70's. BOAC tried via MAN and PIK. BA had a dedicated 767 in the 90's rthen educed the service to a 757 via YYZ. Non of them were consistent. So far United seem to be the only carrier committed and that's being reduced during the winter. To be honest travelling around the region I've never seen any ads or promotions for the JFK route unlike Jet2 who in my view have an excellent marketing campaign both on TV and advertising in Birmingham.
Is airliners.net a reliable source? In amongst the truth there's a lot of uninformed (often unfounded) rumour.
That said if it does happen it would hardly be a surprise, as OltonPete has already noted. The final nail in the coffin is probably the consequences of the Brexit vote which has sent the pound crashing against the US dollar. With so much of the regional market being reliant on price sensitive outbound tourism, because the UK tourist boards don't adequately promote anywhere outside of London, and Edinburgh the inbound market on a once daily service is always going to be weak.
To say that this spells the end to long-haul at BHX, as seems to being hysterically suggested in some postings here, I can only say, does the suspension of some SAS, Brussels Airlines and Lufthansa services in low season, as happens every year, spell the end on business orientated services to / from Europe? Of course not! It simply balances supply with demand.
BHX has had a ridiculous increase in capacity to the Gulf, and something was always going to give. EK undoubtedly put on the 380, so soon after adding the third daily DXB, simply to combat Qatar - QR have retaliated by putting seats on the market at competitive prices, and neither is benefiting.
Spotters sometimes need to be careful what they wish for. Organic growth is always better and more sustainable than meteoric growth.
Tubby Linton
More negativity! But really, how much worse is BHX than say MAN, EDI, LGW, LHR and any other major airports in UK at peak times. Don't even start on Luton! Flying is a pain these days, wherever you fly from / to in UK.
That said if it does happen it would hardly be a surprise, as OltonPete has already noted. The final nail in the coffin is probably the consequences of the Brexit vote which has sent the pound crashing against the US dollar. With so much of the regional market being reliant on price sensitive outbound tourism, because the UK tourist boards don't adequately promote anywhere outside of London, and Edinburgh the inbound market on a once daily service is always going to be weak.
To say that this spells the end to long-haul at BHX, as seems to being hysterically suggested in some postings here, I can only say, does the suspension of some SAS, Brussels Airlines and Lufthansa services in low season, as happens every year, spell the end on business orientated services to / from Europe? Of course not! It simply balances supply with demand.
BHX has had a ridiculous increase in capacity to the Gulf, and something was always going to give. EK undoubtedly put on the 380, so soon after adding the third daily DXB, simply to combat Qatar - QR have retaliated by putting seats on the market at competitive prices, and neither is benefiting.
Spotters sometimes need to be careful what they wish for. Organic growth is always better and more sustainable than meteoric growth.
Tubby Linton
More negativity! But really, how much worse is BHX than say MAN, EDI, LGW, LHR and any other major airports in UK at peak times. Don't even start on Luton! Flying is a pain these days, wherever you fly from / to in UK.