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Yes Cheesebag in right.
LN-LNB 787 arrived and went to MAEL whilst LNE left BHX earlier to Gatwick.
Assume the arriving one had the same crew bringing it in from LGW.
Unfortunately no sign of Norwegian adding more routes from BHX yet. Attention seems to have switched to Manchester where they are launching 3 more European routes from their and increasing frequencies on others.
Rumours suggest they could add more routes from Manchester soon but who knows ?
Nigel
LN-LNB 787 arrived and went to MAEL whilst LNE left BHX earlier to Gatwick.
Assume the arriving one had the same crew bringing it in from LGW.
Unfortunately no sign of Norwegian adding more routes from BHX yet. Attention seems to have switched to Manchester where they are launching 3 more European routes from their and increasing frequencies on others.
Rumours suggest they could add more routes from Manchester soon but who knows ?
Nigel
So the A380 from Emirates is going to be used on the BHX route ......
Given it takes well over an hour for luggage to arrive from a 777,and my personal worst when travelling with non Gold passengers with luggage is 2.5 hours, anyone care to bet how long they will take to offload a full A380 of luggage - two hours minimum, three hours on average ?
Seriously, its a joke. Immigration can't cope, the arrivals hall at the bottom of the stirs is a postage stamp and the single escalator is out of action half the time. A triple bridge will be pointless when 600+ people go to a single escalator to a tiny area down below.
Given it takes well over an hour for luggage to arrive from a 777,and my personal worst when travelling with non Gold passengers with luggage is 2.5 hours, anyone care to bet how long they will take to offload a full A380 of luggage - two hours minimum, three hours on average ?
Seriously, its a joke. Immigration can't cope, the arrivals hall at the bottom of the stirs is a postage stamp and the single escalator is out of action half the time. A triple bridge will be pointless when 600+ people go to a single escalator to a tiny area down below.
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Graham O. Ek A 380.
You are spot on with these observations. This maybe a logistical nightmare. If arriving behind it during the summer months expect delays . I will want to carry more fuel and expect to hold. The airport have said that a runway inspection will take place after it lands to begin with and a runway inspection will take place after every departure. ILS signal interferences may result in following aircraft being given an RNAV approach at short notice. ( these approaches require a significant brief beforehand).
With more movements this summer and the usual Monarch lunchtime rush, the arrivals hall maybe caos. I can see passengers being held on the jet .
With more movements this summer and the usual Monarch lunchtime rush, the arrivals hall maybe caos. I can see passengers being held on the jet .
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This is an exact replica of the discussion that took place when EK put their A380 into Manchester. Arrivals, ILS interference, approach separations, etc. They work through it all and then will have the confidence to increase capacity. So, yes, you will have teething issues but eventually it all gets ironed out.
With respect, the arrivals area at MCR is much bigger than BHX. Much much bigger if I recall.
Resolution of 'teething problems' won't solve the problem - they offload a 777 with two baggage handlers and have refused to sort it out for the last two years. During said 2.5 hour wait I did complain to Emirates (Gold Card Line) that nobody from the ground services lot were around to field questions and I asked a customs guy what was happening. he told me they only use two baggage handling staff and it was evident by the delay and 'burst' nature of luggage that it was te sme two guys at the aircraft as were actually putting stuff on the conveyor.
Even Emirates local guys ringing the ground handler couldnt get them to answer the phone.
It'll be a total shambles. And no 'working around' too few staff, insufficient space will make a quart fit in a pint pot !
Resolution of 'teething problems' won't solve the problem - they offload a 777 with two baggage handlers and have refused to sort it out for the last two years. During said 2.5 hour wait I did complain to Emirates (Gold Card Line) that nobody from the ground services lot were around to field questions and I asked a customs guy what was happening. he told me they only use two baggage handling staff and it was evident by the delay and 'burst' nature of luggage that it was te sme two guys at the aircraft as were actually putting stuff on the conveyor.
Even Emirates local guys ringing the ground handler couldnt get them to answer the phone.
It'll be a total shambles. And no 'working around' too few staff, insufficient space will make a quart fit in a pint pot !
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This is an exact replica of the discussion that took place when EK put their A380 into Manchester. Arrivals, ILS interference, approach separations, etc. They work through it all and then will have the confidence to increase capacity. So, yes, you will have teething issues but eventually it all gets ironed out.
As far as special runway procedures are concerned there are none anymore - I think there were some in the early days.
From the latest MAN aerodrome manual - ASI 11 page 194
MAG World - Aerodrome Manual
Both runways at Manchester meet ICAO Code E requirements. Paved shoulders are provided and offer protection against jet blast erosion and ingestion by the outboard engines of very large aircraft. The use of these Runways by Code F and larger aircraft is acceptable provided that the aircraft operator has certification from their respective regulatory body to operate the type from such runways. There are no specific aerodrome or ATC procedures applying to the use of runways by very large aircraft other than restrictions on the exit and entry points which may be used.
"This is an exact replica of the discussion that took place when EK put their A380 into Manchester. Arrivals, ILS interference, approach separations, etc."
I'm not an ATC expert and stand corrected if I'm wrong but ILS interference wasn't usually a problem at MAN. They simply opened up the second runway for its arrival at lunchtime until the problem was sorted.
Did hear a Flybe Dash8 asking what seperation was required when following the A380 in when both using 23L. He elected for a visual approach, ILS seperation was twice the size.
I'm not an ATC expert and stand corrected if I'm wrong but ILS interference wasn't usually a problem at MAN. They simply opened up the second runway for its arrival at lunchtime until the problem was sorted.
Did hear a Flybe Dash8 asking what seperation was required when following the A380 in when both using 23L. He elected for a visual approach, ILS seperation was twice the size.
As the EK380 & QR787 arrive together at 12.20 on certain days plus all the holiday flights, that's a hell of a lot of luggage, hopefully the airport authorities have looked into this. Are there any extra belts installed along with extra staff to cope?
Last time QR diverted into BHX it seemed a shambles and they were very critical of the way their flight was handled. I'm sure they will have their 'eye on the ball'
Last time QR diverted into BHX it seemed a shambles and they were very critical of the way their flight was handled. I'm sure they will have their 'eye on the ball'
Rarely have I read so much rubbish pre the A380 operation at BHX.
Does nobody think that the management of the airport, handling agents, fuelers, air traffic (not to mention Emirates) and the like haven't thrashed out plans as to how the airport will handle the larger aircraft, within the confines of the facilities available? You'd think, to read some of this (NOT, I might add, from posters who lurk more often on the MAN thread) that the sky was going to fall in on Sunday!
The greatest unknown, and something which the airport has no control is UKBA, who will undoubtedly be even more vigilant than usual following this weeks attacks in Brussels; but perhaps even they might have done some forward planning - not withstanding the UK's mantra "security is paramount"!
Of course there will be teething problems, but surely not the mayhem that's being suggested.
Does nobody think that the management of the airport, handling agents, fuelers, air traffic (not to mention Emirates) and the like haven't thrashed out plans as to how the airport will handle the larger aircraft, within the confines of the facilities available? You'd think, to read some of this (NOT, I might add, from posters who lurk more often on the MAN thread) that the sky was going to fall in on Sunday!
The greatest unknown, and something which the airport has no control is UKBA, who will undoubtedly be even more vigilant than usual following this weeks attacks in Brussels; but perhaps even they might have done some forward planning - not withstanding the UK's mantra "security is paramount"!
Of course there will be teething problems, but surely not the mayhem that's being suggested.
