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Re viewing areas, unfortunately like nearly all of UKs airports,albeit Manchester, there is little appetite at BHX or provide anything decent.
The reason is that there has to be a business case for it.The views from the aviation hobby area on the top floor used to be great but all the building work ruined most views. It was then hardly used apart from school holidays so got chopped.
The 2nd photo you provide can't happen anyway. The new airport service road has already been ploughed just behind the Tristar Hotel.When finished it all goes airside.
Nigel
We will have to wait and see what the views are like from close to the runway extension. However likely to be more distant views of the actual terminal and aprons Im afraid.
Nigel
Re viewing areas, unfortunately like nearly all of UKs airports,albeit Manchester, there is little appetite at BHX or provide anything decent.
The reason is that there has to be a business case for it.The views from the aviation hobby area on the top floor used to be great but all the building work ruined most views. It was then hardly used apart from school holidays so got chopped.
The 2nd photo you provide can't happen anyway. The new airport service road has already been ploughed just behind the Tristar Hotel.When finished it all goes airside.
Nigel
We will have to wait and see what the views are like from close to the runway extension. However likely to be more distant views of the actual terminal and aprons Im afraid.
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Hi Andrew,
Think we are going around in circles. Im saying BHX are in contact with all the airlines you mention around Europe on a regular basis thats what the marketing team do as well as senior management.
The BHX team Im told are just back from doing exactly that around Europe AGAIN and also further afield.
Also any of theairlines in Europe that want to start a new service will get the first year free then a sliding scale of increases over following years Im told.
So please tell us what else they can do?
Think we will have to agree to disagree on this topic
Best wishes
Nigel
Hi Andrew,
Think we are going around in circles. Im saying BHX are in contact with all the airlines you mention around Europe on a regular basis thats what the marketing team do as well as senior management.
The BHX team Im told are just back from doing exactly that around Europe AGAIN and also further afield.
Also any of theairlines in Europe that want to start a new service will get the first year free then a sliding scale of increases over following years Im told.
So please tell us what else they can do?
Think we will have to agree to disagree on this topic
Best wishes
Nigel
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Thank you for your personal views monty gordo , My point , obviously , was that it has triggered the usual posts re BHX that have been said over and over again and I sarcastically summed them up in a few sentence's, why , there is even a post on the Luton thread about BHX wanted to be the centre of the universe ! So , no need to go into the legal mumbo jumbo when all I was doing was reacting to 'other' peoples views of the plans thereof.
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It would be wise to accept that PK and his management team do not and cannot treat BHX as their personal fiefdom but IMHO would be working to a strategy that has been approved and is supported by the board of directors and shareholders
Also any of theairlines in Europe that want to start a new service will get the first year free then a sliding scale of increases over following years Im told
BHX will not attract the big business that fills the front end of long haul aircraft
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"To express the comment thanking 'PK and his team for again making a laughing stock stock out of BHX' couldbe termed injurious to his and their professional standing.
I quote you: 'Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, or traducement—is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation'.
I am not involved with the running of BHX but after 45 years in the media I know only too well how easy it is to cross that line between fair and honest criticism and libel...
Those are my personal views."
I quote you: 'Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, or traducement—is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation'.
I am not involved with the running of BHX but after 45 years in the media I know only too well how easy it is to cross that line between fair and honest criticism and libel...
Those are my personal views."
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Air Transat upgrade 2013
Air Transat are upsizing their flights this summer from an A310 to an A330 from 31Jul to 28Aug. A310s will operate either side of these dates. I guess they are reacting to the demand. Nice to see.
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To express the comment thanking 'PK and his team for again making a laughing stock stock out of BHX' could be termed injurious to his and their professional standing.
I quote you: 'Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, or traducement—is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation'.
Saying someone is making the airport the laughing stock is quite different from saying they are the laughing stock, but even the latter would be quite legitimate.
I suggest you look into the original history of "laughing stocks", and then see if any of the modern PC law could be applied over and above this to validate your claim. I would then suggest that it quite clearly could not, as business leaders are not (yet) a protected minority, and even if they were, the criticism is still being made of the lamentable proposal, not of the individual making it.
I am not involved with the running of BHX but after 45 years in the media I know only too well how easy it is to cross that line between fair and honest criticism and libel...
Now if "destruction of reputation" was an offence in its own right, then I suggest a swift entry of the number 9 into your telephone key pay, repeated twice, to report it.
The address where the offence would be taking place is:
Birmingham Airport Limited
Birmingham
B26 3QJ
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"Not that any of us believed it would be a reality "
Well your going to have to do some serious hat eating if they announce a new service from BHX aren't you ! LOL.
"Not that any of us believed it would be a reality "
Well your going to have to do some serious hat eating if they announce a new service from BHX aren't you ! LOL.
Ha, I didn't word my original post very well as I was actually trying to say that none of us really believed they'd be up and running by August. Will gladly eat my hat though if it does come off by 31/08/13
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Very gracious of Air Transat !
Their first summer brochure had all our flights till Oct as A330s, about right as the planes were 98% full last year in both economy and for what its worth their premium economy.
Then 8 weeks later they knocked it down to an A310. I phoned up Canadian Affair who said it wasn't their fault. TS provide them with an a/c type and they try and fill it. TS had decided to increase capacity further at MAN, so we were knocked down to an A310.
Was a pain in the backside for Canadian Affair as well, they said as some already booked on an A330 , had to be moved to MAN when the plane type was changed..yes sold that fast they said.
So whats happening now..the A310 is overbooked Im told and passengers are being coached to MAN.
To be fair to Air Transat their other 2 English airports MAN,LGW, both have TS crew bases and operate at least 3 destinations, YYZ, YVC and Calgary..with LGW offering more destinations.
Therefore BHX is a bolt on service with just 1 flt and no base,so we are lucky to have them.
Was hoping for a Vancouver or Calgary next year with the runway extension, but at present they are just offering YYZ on an A310 in 2014..
We plod on.
Nigel
Very gracious of Air Transat !
Their first summer brochure had all our flights till Oct as A330s, about right as the planes were 98% full last year in both economy and for what its worth their premium economy.
Then 8 weeks later they knocked it down to an A310. I phoned up Canadian Affair who said it wasn't their fault. TS provide them with an a/c type and they try and fill it. TS had decided to increase capacity further at MAN, so we were knocked down to an A310.
Was a pain in the backside for Canadian Affair as well, they said as some already booked on an A330 , had to be moved to MAN when the plane type was changed..yes sold that fast they said.
So whats happening now..the A310 is overbooked Im told and passengers are being coached to MAN.
To be fair to Air Transat their other 2 English airports MAN,LGW, both have TS crew bases and operate at least 3 destinations, YYZ, YVC and Calgary..with LGW offering more destinations.
Therefore BHX is a bolt on service with just 1 flt and no base,so we are lucky to have them.
Was hoping for a Vancouver or Calgary next year with the runway extension, but at present they are just offering YYZ on an A310 in 2014..
We plod on.
Nigel
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You have to wonder why Canadian Affair aren't a little more up to speed with what Air Transat are doing considering they are both owned by the same company!
I did travel from Toronto to BHX a couple of weeks ago on the A310 (i'm from Coventry but live in Ottawa now), they've cleaned them up quite a bit compared to last year. New seats, carpets, refurbished washrooms and even mood lighting. I certainly can't complain for the price I paid.
I was also impressed at how the airport managed everyone at immigration too, directing anyone eligible to the e-gates and taking families with young children to the front of the queue. All in all a pleasant experience.
I did travel from Toronto to BHX a couple of weeks ago on the A310 (i'm from Coventry but live in Ottawa now), they've cleaned them up quite a bit compared to last year. New seats, carpets, refurbished washrooms and even mood lighting. I certainly can't complain for the price I paid.
I was also impressed at how the airport managed everyone at immigration too, directing anyone eligible to the e-gates and taking families with young children to the front of the queue. All in all a pleasant experience.
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If TS are reacting to the demand by upgrading to an A333 (however long it is), couldn't they have added a second weekly flight? They've been stuck at one weekly for a few years now.
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Quite a lot of YCC YVR are double drops from UK, so there is no reason, if demand was there, that BHX couldnt have a YVR etc via MAN or GLA in the same format and in that scenario nothing to do with runway length.
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AI Hat eating
Quote: "Chinapattern; re your words;
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"Not that any of us believed it would be a reality "
Well your going to have to do some serious hat eating if they announce a new service from BHX aren't you ! LOL.
Nigel"
Quote: "Nigel
Ha, I didn't word my original post very well as I was actually trying to say that none of us really believed they'd be up and running by August. Will gladly eat my hat though if it does come off by 31/08/13"
Hope the hat tastes good and doesn't give indigestion: forget 31/08/13, AI are NOT coming back to BHX (unless on a code share).
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"Not that any of us believed it would be a reality "
Well your going to have to do some serious hat eating if they announce a new service from BHX aren't you ! LOL.
Nigel"
Quote: "Nigel
Ha, I didn't word my original post very well as I was actually trying to say that none of us really believed they'd be up and running by August. Will gladly eat my hat though if it does come off by 31/08/13"
Hope the hat tastes good and doesn't give indigestion: forget 31/08/13, AI are NOT coming back to BHX (unless on a code share).
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Hope the hat tastes good and doesn't give indigestion: forget 31/08/13, AI are NOT coming back to BHX (unless on a code share).
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Yes, you would think there's demand for a year round YYZ with Transat from BHX. Looking back over the years there's been Air India, BA, Canada 3000, Bcal and Wardair. I may have missed a few more. I hope if the demand persists or increases then we will get a regular service.
Air India.
Hmmmm... I sense a hat eating fest very soon...
Yes, you would think there's demand for a year round YYZ with Transat from BHX. Looking back over the years there's been Air India, BA, Canada 3000, Bcal and Wardair. I may have missed a few more. I hope if the demand persists or increases then we will get a regular service.
Air India.
Hmmmm... I sense a hat eating fest very soon...
splash&dash
The problem with Canada is it's principally a VFR destination, and the "R" (relatives) part of that acronym are dying off. This is why many airports that used to enjoy summer only services, the likes of LBA, EXT, STN have lost them, and BHX has lost hundreds of seats per week since the hey day of Wardair 747s and DC10s 3 x weekly.
If you're going to visit Canada for a holiday, the depths of winter aren't the ideal time - it's too perishing cold, and apart from for Christmas (and I can't see why a TS series over the festive season wouldn't work from BHX) you'd be hard pressed to find enough passengers to make a winter service pay.
I think we should be happy we've clung on to the once-weekly summer only YYZ operation. The extended runway however, could bring forward the possibility of weekly ITs to Calgary during the ski season - if of course the tour operators want to risk diluting demand for Manchester and Gatwick services to offer it.
you would think there's demand for a year round YYZ
If you're going to visit Canada for a holiday, the depths of winter aren't the ideal time - it's too perishing cold, and apart from for Christmas (and I can't see why a TS series over the festive season wouldn't work from BHX) you'd be hard pressed to find enough passengers to make a winter service pay.
I think we should be happy we've clung on to the once-weekly summer only YYZ operation. The extended runway however, could bring forward the possibility of weekly ITs to Calgary during the ski season - if of course the tour operators want to risk diluting demand for Manchester and Gatwick services to offer it.
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EXT and NCL were dropped the end of last season and I think the spare aircraft has been used for an extra MAN-YYZ rotation.
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