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Flybe aircraft waiting off stand for the ramp crew are a routine sight, so it should be interesting if they get Monarch as rumoured, going to be a hectic summer at Menzies 
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Fairdealfrank, there is a difference between international to international connections and international to domestic connections. As far as I can remember that always involved clearing imigration and customs prior to proceeding to the domestic departure gate via security again. Smaller airports with small numbers of hubbing pax will not provide special provision for this as, for instance Schiphol, where a large majority of pax are hubbing.
In other words, a facility to allow transfer pax to proceed through security to the departures area. For international to domestic connections, yes of course these pax would need to pass through border control and security on their way to the departures area.
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fairdealfrank , to put you out of your misery :
Manchester terminal 3 :
International connections do not need to go through Immigrations or Customs but all International to Domestic connections do.
Domestic to International connections can use the special Immigration check points if baggage is through-checked.
I don't know about BHX as it is always my O & D.
Manchester terminal 3 :
International connections do not need to go through Immigrations or Customs but all International to Domestic connections do.
Domestic to International connections can use the special Immigration check points if baggage is through-checked.
I don't know about BHX as it is always my O & D.
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Domestic to International connections can use the special Immigration check points if baggage is through-checked.
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Agreed, but there should be international to international connection facilities at airports like MAN and BHX (thought MAN had it), they are not small airports!
BHX be careful what you wish for.
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fairdealfrank , to put you out of your misery :
Manchester terminal 3 :
International connections do not need to go through Immigrations or Customs but all International to Domestic connections do.
Domestic to International connections can use the special Immigration check points if baggage is through-checked.
I don't know about BHX as it is always my O & D.
Manchester terminal 3 :
International connections do not need to go through Immigrations or Customs but all International to Domestic connections do.
Domestic to International connections can use the special Immigration check points if baggage is through-checked.
I don't know about BHX as it is always my O & D.
As I thought, that makes sense, although domestic to international would not need to do border control as leaving the UK.
Still shocked that there isn't similar at BHX.
MAN now has a facial recognition scan for all domestic passengers and staffed access to domestic gates with another facial scan. A massive pain in the a*** if like me you have the wrong kind of face for the stupid machine. The old bat on security told me I was "doing it wrong". Quite how in her confused state she thought I had another spare face I could do it better with was not made clear. Be careful what you wish for, it's just another stupid obstacle in the way of getting from A to B. This is to grow international to international connections. Now it's bad enough at LHR and LGW, but to put all domestic passengers through that pantomime for the minute number of people who connect internationally through T3 is just a poor passenger experience.
BHX be careful what you wish for.
BHX be careful what you wish for.
Not too much of a hardship, although the point has never been explained, a security issue of some sort perhaps. The photographs are destroyed once the flight has departed (allegedly).
Hey Skip, what's the "wrong kind of face"? Sounds like the railways, "wrong kind of snow/rain/leaves".
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Not too much of a hardship, although the point has never been explained, a security issue of some sort perhaps. The photographs are destroyed once the flight has departed (allegedly).
Rather than insist we all carry passports, they stop you at security and take your picture, however this is another barrier to progress, forgivable at a large hub but dumb at MAN where thousands of people every day are subject to it for the benefit of a handful, literally a smidgen of Intl-Intl transit passengers.
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It's commercially driven, making sure domestic, international and transit passengers share a common usage lounge means there has to be some check to prevent anyone swapping tickets and a transit passenger with no right to enter the UK boarding a domestic and getting off without clearing passport control. (Transit passengers are not subject to immigration controls unlike the US).
Rather than insist we all carry passports, they stop you at security and take your picture, however this is another barrier to progress, forgivable at a large hub but dumb at MAN where thousands of people every day are subject to it for the benefit of a handful, literally a smidgen of Intl-Intl transit passengers.
Rather than insist we all carry passports, they stop you at security and take your picture, however this is another barrier to progress, forgivable at a large hub but dumb at MAN where thousands of people every day are subject to it for the benefit of a handful, literally a smidgen of Intl-Intl transit passengers.
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It's commercially driven, making sure domestic, international and transit passengers share a common usage lounge means there has to be some check to prevent anyone swapping tickets and a transit passenger with no right to enter the UK boarding a domestic and getting off without clearing passport control. (Transit passengers are not subject to immigration controls unlike the US).
Rather than insist we all carry passports, they stop you at security and take your picture, however this is another barrier to progress, forgivable at a large hub but dumb at MAN where thousands of people every day are subject to it for the benefit of a handful, literally a smidgen of Intl-Intl transit passengers.
Rather than insist we all carry passports, they stop you at security and take your picture, however this is another barrier to progress, forgivable at a large hub but dumb at MAN where thousands of people every day are subject to it for the benefit of a handful, literally a smidgen of Intl-Intl transit passengers.
Haven't found it a hardship at LHR because the photo is taken at points where pax are already checked: (1) at the entrance to security where boarding passes are checked, and (2) at the gate where boarding passes are again checked and pax are hanging around waiting to be called to board the aircraft.
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It's commercially driven, making sure domestic, international and transit passengers share a common usage lounge means there has to be some check to prevent anyone swapping tickets and a transit passenger with no right to enter the UK boarding a domestic and getting off without clearing passport control. (Transit passengers are not subject to immigration controls unlike the US).
Rather than insist we all carry passports, they stop you at security and take your picture, however this is another barrier to progress, forgivable at a large hub but dumb at MAN where thousands of people every day are subject to it for the benefit of a handful, literally a smidgen of Intl-Intl transit passengers.
Rather than insist we all carry passports, they stop you at security and take your picture, however this is another barrier to progress, forgivable at a large hub but dumb at MAN where thousands of people every day are subject to it for the benefit of a handful, literally a smidgen of Intl-Intl transit passengers.
Haven't found it a hardship at LHR because the photo is taken at points where pax are already checked: (1) at the entrance to security where boarding passes are checked, and (2) at the gate where boarding passes are again checked and pax are hanging around waiting to be called to board the aircraft.
Previously to the Biometric face scanners being introduced, any Intl-Intl pax were escorted to the gate by a security agent and were handed over to the Dispatcher/Gate staff. - A much more sensible approach for the small number of Intl-Intl transfer pax.
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Re the rwy 33 Threshold
Looking at post #1828: is the New threshold the final resting place or will there be a final perminant 33 threshold say abeam Taxiway Echo ? - when the extension is complete. I only ask as looking at the photos of the civil works.
Obviously works like the placement of the PAPI's and Glide Slope Ariel are major works and safety items let alone the associated cabling.
Obviously threshold siting is governed by the Dist from the A45, single engine in op safety gradients, obstacles and other factors the professional Engineers & Pilots will factor in etc, but the new threshold looks a long way from the eventual extension of the operational strip.
I'm thinking of the old 33 arrangement siting of the old 15 Loc Etc.
[Sorry if I am out of date on this - I will look at the maps of the original proposals. Just wondering]
[Edit to Edit: Sorry everyone the New threshold is the final one: As you might expect: given the work involved - For the non - techs [me] placement is governed by Runway end safety area [RESA] Rules.
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Obviously works like the placement of the PAPI's and Glide Slope Ariel are major works and safety items let alone the associated cabling.
Obviously threshold siting is governed by the Dist from the A45, single engine in op safety gradients, obstacles and other factors the professional Engineers & Pilots will factor in etc, but the new threshold looks a long way from the eventual extension of the operational strip.
I'm thinking of the old 33 arrangement siting of the old 15 Loc Etc.
[Sorry if I am out of date on this - I will look at the maps of the original proposals. Just wondering]
[Edit to Edit: Sorry everyone the New threshold is the final one: As you might expect: given the work involved - For the non - techs [me] placement is governed by Runway end safety area [RESA] Rules.
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CATIII-NDB, further to my query about the 33 threshold, I landed on it later that evening. Can confirm the new threshold is abeam the E1 holding point and this is the permanent position. The rest of the new surface before the 33 threshold will be a starter extension.
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Oh thanks - There's nothing like trying things out for your self. I look forward to seeing those aerial pictures of the new layout in due course.
Being serious - the arrangement should allow for a higher landing rate when needed.
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Being serious - the arrangement should allow for a higher landing rate when needed.
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January passenger figures up 10.6%
A good start to the year but still only ranks at number 5 for January pax and only a few thousand more than 2004!!!
Birmingham Sees Double Digit Passenger Growth in January - Birmingham Airport
Summer 2014
Some of the "odd" flights are starting to disappear such as the Cosmos Small Planet EFL and JSI along with flybe Preveza which was also Cosmos. Thomson Chania which never fitted the schedule has disappeared as well but odd as it was a new route.
Trieste has reappeared in the Ryanair schedule for July and August.
Diversions
Another reasonable day with a Virgin A333 DXB-LHR plus Manchester diversions including BA, EZY and BE plus an easy from LPL and a couple of Ryanair from Bristol and East Mids. Leeds PIA preferred Heathrow and a couple of Manchester Lufthansa's went to DUS (FRA-MAN) and BRU (MUC-MAN) apparently, which is quite a detour.
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Birmingham Sees Double Digit Passenger Growth in January - Birmingham Airport
Summer 2014
Some of the "odd" flights are starting to disappear such as the Cosmos Small Planet EFL and JSI along with flybe Preveza which was also Cosmos. Thomson Chania which never fitted the schedule has disappeared as well but odd as it was a new route.
Trieste has reappeared in the Ryanair schedule for July and August.
Diversions
Another reasonable day with a Virgin A333 DXB-LHR plus Manchester diversions including BA, EZY and BE plus an easy from LPL and a couple of Ryanair from Bristol and East Mids. Leeds PIA preferred Heathrow and a couple of Manchester Lufthansa's went to DUS (FRA-MAN) and BRU (MUC-MAN) apparently, which is quite a detour.
Pete
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