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Disagree about the advertising boards, it would probably brake rules to advertise destinations that were not going to see a service from BHX as you suggest.
I would therefore say the most likely would be a connecting flight with a code share via an existing hub.
However as I say Im not ruling out China, but LA I agree with you.
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Disagree about the advertising boards, it would probably brake rules to advertise destinations that were not going to see a service from BHX as you suggest.
I would therefore say the most likely would be a connecting flight with a code share via an existing hub.
However as I say Im not ruling out China, but LA I agree with you.
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Disagree about the advertising boards, it would probably brake rules to advertise destinations that were not going to see a service from BHX as you suggest
I agree it would be wrong of them to do so, but, companies break advertising rules all of the time, so the NEC would not be the first to fall foul of such rulings.
I would therefore say the most likely would be a connecting flight with a code share via an existing hub
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I think we will see Vegas before LAX
TCX have recently started a programme whereby they invite bids from airports for a W pattern route, and will select 2 European routes out of those bids.
Therefore BHX could bid for BHX-LAS, and if successful, TCX would then run something like MAN-LAS-BHX-LAS-MAN.
There will obviously be a lot of competition, and if the recent travel trade show is anything to go by, it seems DUB has won the first slot for a Cancun flight.
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NEC advertising hoardings
For those of you who are close, take a look. If i am right I think there are two hoardings in the walkway closest to the airport.
The messages, such as they are, are certainly not small. It's not as if the NEC is 'hiding a light under a bushel'.
The messages, such as they are, are certainly not small. It's not as if the NEC is 'hiding a light under a bushel'.
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You have to remember the NEC is already very well connected to the world! Sadly BHX barely figure in the said connections, with most arriving from LHR via the NEC rail link 
Or MAN if they are roughing it
Or MAN if they are roughing it
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Ok what Chinese airline and to where? Hainan possibly as no London presence?
Current LHR for comparison :
BA LHR-PEK and LHR-PVG
VS LHR-PVG A346
CA LHR-PEK B77W
MU LHR-PVG A332 days 2 4 67
CZ LHR-CAN B788
CA LGW-PEK A322 summer only
Ruling out BA and VS, which would you see using BHX before a London expansion? UK-West Coast US is hard to make money on outside more money than sense London as connections are cheaper over one stop East Coast hubs. Vegas is the new Amsterdam /Prague for misbehaving gentleman so works on a non daily basis.
In terms of long haul, BHX is currently the LGW of the North, too close to LHR.
Current LHR for comparison :
BA LHR-PEK and LHR-PVG
VS LHR-PVG A346
CA LHR-PEK B77W
MU LHR-PVG A332 days 2 4 67
CZ LHR-CAN B788
CA LGW-PEK A322 summer only
Ruling out BA and VS, which would you see using BHX before a London expansion? UK-West Coast US is hard to make money on outside more money than sense London as connections are cheaper over one stop East Coast hubs. Vegas is the new Amsterdam /Prague for misbehaving gentleman so works on a non daily basis.
In terms of long haul, BHX is currently the LGW of the North, too close to LHR.
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Just incase no-one looks upon the Dublin thread, Ryanair have just announced that as part of an overall increase in Dublin flights, BHX-DUB will rise from 3 daily to 4 daily.
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In terms of long haul, BHX is currently the LGW of the North, too close to LHR
Normally we have these kind of posts when nothing is happening , but actually there is alot happening and surely there will be more to come.
CA LGW-PEK A322 summer only
Seriously though, why the heck would a service like that be seasonal?
In any case i think MAN would win the race if a UK regional airport-china link was up for grabs but i'm only 60/40 so as has been said we will have wait and see.
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Skipness,
I believe BHX have visited the same airline for talks 3 times in total now so they have their eye on one in particular it seems.I won't name them..
However I agree not much capacity by any Chinese Airline to the UK. That should change as our Govt start talks in Jan with the Chinese to lift the limit from 31 departures to China a week.
Will it benefit BHX and MAN..well BA alone say they want to operate to 7 new Chinese routes from LHR.. we may both have to pick up whats left.
However for BHX the fact that the Chinese President included a visit to Birmingham and BHX with members of the Chinese committee ,(with their 747 parked up here), and a trade delegation and not MAN could well mean BHX is in with a serious shout.
Especially as its the President or his direct committee who has to rubber stamp any new airline agreements.
We shall see
Nigel
I believe BHX have visited the same airline for talks 3 times in total now so they have their eye on one in particular it seems.I won't name them..
However I agree not much capacity by any Chinese Airline to the UK. That should change as our Govt start talks in Jan with the Chinese to lift the limit from 31 departures to China a week.
Will it benefit BHX and MAN..well BA alone say they want to operate to 7 new Chinese routes from LHR.. we may both have to pick up whats left.
However for BHX the fact that the Chinese President included a visit to Birmingham and BHX with members of the Chinese committee ,(with their 747 parked up here), and a trade delegation and not MAN could well mean BHX is in with a serious shout.
Especially as its the President or his direct committee who has to rubber stamp any new airline agreements.
We shall see
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Yes Nigel but it`s the Chinese who are pumping a lot of money into Manchester
airport and as MAG have already stated they plan to have a Chinese operation
in next 18 months subject the bi-laterals so both have very good claims
Chaps
airport and as MAG have already stated they plan to have a Chinese operation
in next 18 months subject the bi-laterals so both have very good claims
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Yes agree ,a lot going into the new Man Airport business enterprise and also into numerous West Mid ones too including JLR and the Chinese having a JLR plant built over there too.
BHX has also said they want a Chinese Airline in the near future.So as you say both BHX and MAN have good shouts.
We will have to wait and see, perhaps London will get the lot
Nigel
Yes agree ,a lot going into the new Man Airport business enterprise and also into numerous West Mid ones too including JLR and the Chinese having a JLR plant built over there too.
BHX has also said they want a Chinese Airline in the near future.So as you say both BHX and MAN have good shouts.
We will have to wait and see, perhaps London will get the lot
Nigel
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I'm sure both airports WANT services to China! It's all very well to get excited about the possibility flights from BHX to China but no one has yet thought about where exactly these flights will go to. We are after all talking about the fourth largest country in the world in terms of square kilometres. China is in fact only just shy of being geographically bigger than the whole of Europe.....
The main commercial rationale offered in support of flights from BHX to China on here seems to mostly hang on the JLR/motor industry connection. Where exactly do JLR do business in China in terms of factories and production lines? If not PEK, PVG or HKG I am not sure service to another less well known city will be viable. LHR currently only has non stop service to four Chinese cities and word on the grapevine is that the latest route by BA to Chengdu is not at present loading up very well at all.
Just how many JLR/motor industry staff travel to/from China from BHX on a monthly basis - an A330 or 777 are big birds to fill on what will be primarily O&D traffic alone, even on as little as a twice weekly basis.
There is also renegotiation of the bilateral to think about - personally I think the majority of any extra flights allowed will be out of LHR with BHX and MAN being left to fight over the few slot crumbs left.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a BHX-China service but I'm just thinking of other factors that could affect the chances of such a service starting. Then again who would have thought there would be a double daily BHX-DXB 25 years ago??
The main commercial rationale offered in support of flights from BHX to China on here seems to mostly hang on the JLR/motor industry connection. Where exactly do JLR do business in China in terms of factories and production lines? If not PEK, PVG or HKG I am not sure service to another less well known city will be viable. LHR currently only has non stop service to four Chinese cities and word on the grapevine is that the latest route by BA to Chengdu is not at present loading up very well at all.
Just how many JLR/motor industry staff travel to/from China from BHX on a monthly basis - an A330 or 777 are big birds to fill on what will be primarily O&D traffic alone, even on as little as a twice weekly basis.
There is also renegotiation of the bilateral to think about - personally I think the majority of any extra flights allowed will be out of LHR with BHX and MAN being left to fight over the few slot crumbs left.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a BHX-China service but I'm just thinking of other factors that could affect the chances of such a service starting. Then again who would have thought there would be a double daily BHX-DXB 25 years ago??
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Centre cities - sadly too true......EDI will have more trans-Atlantic departures to the US and Canada than BHX in summer 2014. Considering their long haul aspirations, the lack of flights across the pond from BHX is somewhat of an embarrassment.
Article in Manchester Evening News about a new 5 year deal signed between MAG and Monarch, alluding to flights starting from STN as well as expansion at EMA. Hope this doesn't affect their expansion at BHX which so far for S14 seems very muted so far, just HRG added.
Article in Manchester Evening News about a new 5 year deal signed between MAG and Monarch, alluding to flights starting from STN as well as expansion at EMA. Hope this doesn't affect their expansion at BHX which so far for S14 seems very muted so far, just HRG added.
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Gayfriendly,
Re Monarch and MAG,
You seem to forget MAN has lost the A300s thats one hell of a lot of seats to make up, so you will need double that number of new based A320s needed just to make up for that let alone increases in passengers.
Secondly we will have to see if the muted increases are actually that or in fact charters turning into sched flights.
Anyway as this is supposed to be a BHX thread can we get back to Birmingham issues folks !
Nigel
Re Monarch and MAG,
You seem to forget MAN has lost the A300s thats one hell of a lot of seats to make up, so you will need double that number of new based A320s needed just to make up for that let alone increases in passengers.
Secondly we will have to see if the muted increases are actually that or in fact charters turning into sched flights.
Anyway as this is supposed to be a BHX thread can we get back to Birmingham issues folks !
Nigel
You may find that as JLR/MG expand their market in the coming months and years then a Chinese will indeed start a regular service into BHX, but in the form of a freighter.
Every carrier will ask the same old question is there significant potential for a route to XYZ? If there is then it will start one, if not it won't. These days carriers do not want to invest in white elephants, even if cities or councils etc twin with others. All the talk of twinning BHX and POS is nice and promotes possible traffic, but no carrier will hurry to start the route anytime soon. BHX and ORD has been mentioned before and there is still nothing on the cards.
It's all pipe dreams for the spotters on various forums.
Every carrier will ask the same old question is there significant potential for a route to XYZ? If there is then it will start one, if not it won't. These days carriers do not want to invest in white elephants, even if cities or councils etc twin with others. All the talk of twinning BHX and POS is nice and promotes possible traffic, but no carrier will hurry to start the route anytime soon. BHX and ORD has been mentioned before and there is still nothing on the cards.
It's all pipe dreams for the spotters on various forums.
EDI will have more trans-Atlantic departures to the US and Canada than BHX in summer 2014.
Also, think on, BHX has long haul services which continue to grow, going east - EDI has none.
The world's economy is moving east, and if I were BHX, prestigious though connections to the USA undoubtedly are, I'd be looking towards the real areas of global growth - China, India and the rest of the far east and subcontinent, which it seams is exactly what BHX seems to be doing.
Look around your house, how many objects to you find "made in USA" versus how many you find "made in China", Bangladesh or, India and ask yourself where BHX needs to position itself.