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Old 20th Jul 2017, 08:03
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Originally Posted by jon01 View Post
Flights are now bookable on the Primera Air website


New York departs BHX at 17:45

Type showing as an A321

Fares showing from £76 one way
3 x weekly BOS as well, from June. Nothing so far as I can see for Toronto.

It will be interesting to see how these routes perform, they've given themselves plenty of time to take bookings, so I would suggest BHX knew about the imminent loss of UA and were planning for it. It's just a shame Primera are such a poorly known name in the UK and USA, but I guess they will be getting some sort of deal on airport fees at the UK end, perhaps too in USA as well but to make the whole thing work they are going to need interline agreements for onward connections from EWR and BOS to make the whole thing work I think, and the late arrival time in EWR and BOS isn't going to make connecting that easy.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 09:18
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Originally Posted by eggc View Post
I do wonder if AA and UA could not make it work with their multitude of onward connections then what chance does an unknown Icelandic airline stands ?
UA couldn't make the UK regional feeds to EWR work, in part, because they always priced them at a noticeable premium compared to LHR (and in the case of BFS, compared to DUB, even once the UK APD was factored in). Perhaps it was naÔvety on UA's part; assuming UK consumers (like US?) would pay for a premium to fly direct from a local airport when many are happy to spend 3-4 hours on a train or coach to LHR/LGW and fly from there instead.

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Old 20th Jul 2017, 09:23
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Maybe the case, their service offering was not great either. Still, the many many times we've used one of the US3 ex the regions most of the passengers connect - something Primera really need to look at, but again as mentioned their arrival time into the US mean most waves are missed, limiting connection opportunities anyway - an earlier depature time would help in that respect.

Connections aside, I still think NAX would have been a far more viable option - maybe they'll arrive eventually.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 10:52
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Originally Posted by eggc View Post
Maybe the case, their service offering was not great either. Still, the many many times we've used one of the US3 ex the regions most of the passengers connect - something Primera really need to look at, but again as mentioned their arrival time into the US mean most waves are missed, limiting connection opportunities anyway - an earlier depature time would help in that respect.

Connections aside, I still think NAX would have been a far more viable option - maybe they'll arrive eventually.
I disagree regarding NAX; they are using secondary airports, often a very good distance from the client's likely destination - NY or Boston. In that respect Primera are a better option.

I am guessing that when the YYZ route is released it will be operating 3 x weekly, on days opposing the BOS, allowing a day for maintenance and / or the cock-up factor.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 10:58
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Cheap transatlantic flights from Birmingham and Stansted to launch next summer
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 11:36
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UA couldn't make the UK regional feeds to EWR work, in part, because they always priced them at a noticeable premium compared to LHR
In fairness Continental did well doing just that, but remember Continental didn't have access to LHR before 2008. Once they were in the door, there is an arguement to max out profitability on expensive LHR slots and feed the BRS/BHX traffic that way. Once United took over, an airline with no history in regional UK flying outwith a short lived GLA-IAD, the decision get's easier IMHO.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 11:48
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Congratulation to BHX on grabbing the new route, it makes you wonder in UA already knew about this and hence the timing of the announcement of the pullout, especially if the route has been struggling for a while and were not willing to have margins stretched further.

I'm however cynical of all these Low Cost transatlantic routes popping up, especially this one from a relatively unheard of carriers here in the UK!

If you can find a great fare, by all means jump at the opportunity but I would pay the extra fee to book with a credit card and if things go wrong, you will at least get a refund from the card provider for the fare.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 13:57
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NEO aircraft, Wifi, etc... looks an interesting option.
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 05:39
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Apologies for bringing Brexit into the thread but unless the UK government makes a sensible agreement with the EU over open skies the Primera operation could come to a sticky end in March 2019.

They must be fairly confident things will be OK in the end.
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 05:45
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You may find that the aircraft could be on a British AOC operated with British crews to get round this.
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 06:19
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If we don't remain part of Open Skies, wouldn't we need to have negotiated our own deal with the Americans?
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 18:19
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
If we don't remain part of Open Skies, wouldn't we need to have negotiated our own deal with the Americans?
I would have thought so, and given The Donald's penchant for "America First" I doubt he'd be keen on giving a deal that allowed unfettered access to US markets, whether or not American carriers want to operate specific routes.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 08:25
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My daughter with 6 month old baby and husband landed in bhx about 12 am this morning from fue1.30 hours to clear customs, not bhx fault but getting beyond a joke.

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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 09:31
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My daughter with 6 month old baby and husband landed in bhx about 12 am this morning from fue1.30 hours to clear customs, not bhx fault but getting beyond a joke.

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Customs (HMRC responsibility) or Immigration, commonly referred to as "passport control" (responsibility of UK Border Agency)? Neither in the gift of Birmingham Airport Plc, or the airline or handling agent. From your posting I know you understand that.

I would suggest a note to your local MP highlighting the inadequacy of UKBA, who I would suspect are the culprits, but don't expect a positive answer. Daily Mail readers (who believe they run the country) and Telegraph readers (who probably do run the country) want it that way. I know that from experience as I complained about similarly totally unwarranted delays at Eurotunnel a few years ago.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 09:43
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Who pays for HMRC/Border Agency personnel? The airport? The airlines? I hope it isn't the general taxpayer, in which case those who choose to fly abroad are being subsidised by those who don't.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 09:48
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I hope it isn't the general taxpayer, in which case those who choose to fly abroad are being subsidised by those who don't.
Get real - how many situations can you apply this to? Tax paying isn't a "pick and mix" choice.

Anyway, back to BHX.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 10:49
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Of course it is the taxpayer. Border and Customs cover the whole country not just airports and infact airports are only a small part of their remit.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 11:03
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HMRC don't have a presence at any airport their ports function was merged with port function of UKBA (Immigration) this became Border Force. Border Force is the primary Law Enforcement agency in the areas of Immigration & Customs, they also support the Police in Counter Terrorism and areas of policing. They also carry out functions in many other areas for other government agencies like Defra & NCA. The UKBA was disbanded 8 years ago. They are funded by HM Government the same as all Police services. Like the Police they have had savage cuts to staffing i.e. 50% of their staffing because of austerity. Whilst the U.K. pax numbers are increasing the queues have to increase you can't make officers appear from thin air. Now if you want to blame anyone, their address is 10 Downing Str, London. This is before the explosion of Brexit, which will mean millions more passengers will need to be interviewed before entering the UK. As this is BHX thread, it's an unfortunate situation that BHX, GLA & EDI are suffering the most as the dept has prioritised its spending at LHR, LGW and Calais.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 12:29
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s this is BHX thread, it's an unfortunate situation that BHX, GLA & EDI are suffering the most as the dept has prioritised its spending at LHR, LGW and Calais.
Spending prioritised in London and the Southeast - well who'd have thought it!!
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 12:30
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This is not as straightforward as it seems. After all, football clubs etc pay for the enhanced police presence in and around their stadia. It is at least arguable that if the air travel industry wants an enhanced presence 24/7 then they should pay for it. Remember that much ?most of the airline traffic is using non-uk airlines who don't pay UK taxes.
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