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We need to look at an index of economic benefit ???? to a region, associated with given routes.
How about a log based index system (if we include LHR in this context) of perceived economic benefit/loss to an economic catchment as a metric.
The loss of a transatlantic route to a region like the West Mids is far more dramatic economically than say the loss of say 4 routes designed for "Bucket & Spade" links designed for SLF like me where they are already served.
20 Years Service: Yep: a last gasp based PR Effort: sadly.
Now many "BHX supporters" used the service ? I used the AA 23/24 an average of a dozen times (Tourist Class) over 15 Years.
Lets look at the positive side:A peak time air-bridge slot freed up.
Less noise, less pollution locally and more room in the terminal; of course there's a loss on income to the airport/services providers and the economic utility of the facility is eroded, but every little helps more room for the hoy poly like me ! sadly.
Was this event why PK decided to errr opt for the door ?
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How about a log based index system (if we include LHR in this context) of perceived economic benefit/loss to an economic catchment as a metric.
The loss of a transatlantic route to a region like the West Mids is far more dramatic economically than say the loss of say 4 routes designed for "Bucket & Spade" links designed for SLF like me where they are already served.
20 Years Service: Yep: a last gasp based PR Effort: sadly.
Now many "BHX supporters" used the service ? I used the AA 23/24 an average of a dozen times (Tourist Class) over 15 Years.
Lets look at the positive side:A peak time air-bridge slot freed up.
Less noise, less pollution locally and more room in the terminal; of course there's a loss on income to the airport/services providers and the economic utility of the facility is eroded, but every little helps more room for the hoy poly like me ! sadly.
Was this event why PK decided to errr opt for the door ?
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UA Leaving Birmingham...
I'm a little off the boil on Birmingham news, but very sad to see the Newark route ending, after 20+ years...
People are saying, it is not surprising news, how come?
In the time the Birmingham to Newark route has been going, we've seen recessions, credit crunches, 9/11, record fuel prices and competition on the route from other carriers, and CO/UA have always come out the other end maintaining the route in some form...
The economy is still very buoyant and with the US outside of Brexit, I struggle to see that as a cause. Also Birmingham had no competition on the route from low cost competition like Norwegian or Thomas Cook.
I remember back in the late 90's or early 00s the route was so successful, it was upgraded to the DC-10 and at another time operated twice daily on certain days, flying 10-11 times a week, with the 757's.
I wonder if Emirates could see this as an opportunity to fly something like NYC-BHX-DXB?!... Maybe exercise their fifth freedom rights and re-introduce the third daily Dubai frequency, while at the same time operating onwards to the USA with a stop in Brum, they do something similar out of Milan and there's been rumours of a similar UK service for years.
People are saying, it is not surprising news, how come?
In the time the Birmingham to Newark route has been going, we've seen recessions, credit crunches, 9/11, record fuel prices and competition on the route from other carriers, and CO/UA have always come out the other end maintaining the route in some form...
The economy is still very buoyant and with the US outside of Brexit, I struggle to see that as a cause. Also Birmingham had no competition on the route from low cost competition like Norwegian or Thomas Cook.
I remember back in the late 90's or early 00s the route was so successful, it was upgraded to the DC-10 and at another time operated twice daily on certain days, flying 10-11 times a week, with the 757's.
I wonder if Emirates could see this as an opportunity to fly something like NYC-BHX-DXB?!... Maybe exercise their fifth freedom rights and re-introduce the third daily Dubai frequency, while at the same time operating onwards to the USA with a stop in Brum, they do something similar out of Milan and there's been rumours of a similar UK service for years.
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"We expect to be making an announcement shortly regarding another airline serving North America non-stop from Birmingham"
Direct flights to New York from Birmingham set to return - Birmingham Mail
Direct flights to New York from Birmingham set to return - Birmingham Mail
"We expect to be making an announcement shortly regarding another airline serving North America non-stop from Birmingham"
In the time the Birmingham to Newark route has been going, we've seen recessions, credit crunches, 9/11, record fuel prices and competition on the route from other carriers, and CO/UA have always come out the other end maintaining the route in some form...
As Skipness pointed out it was Continental that originally established a game changing network of UK gateways in the days when they were prevented from serving LHR. UA have never really seemed quite as interested.
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UA might be focusing more on LHR which makes sense considering the current decline in the overall UK to USA market but to call them London Centric is a bit of a flippant statement. Although it's a shame that BHX will loose it's longstanding route to EWR United Airlines will consolidate their UK operations at LHR as well as operating from EDI and MAN covering the major UK markets.
To think that at one point or another United Airlines (Continental) had a very comprehensive network serving the whole of the UK regions.
In the same way that you describe United Airlines are Heathrow Centric the same could be said about American Airlines.
To think that at one point or another United Airlines (Continental) had a very comprehensive network serving the whole of the UK regions.
In the same way that you describe United Airlines are Heathrow Centric the same could be said about American Airlines.
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Just watching the FlyOne to Chisinau boarding - I have counted around 100 passengers which isn't bad for a first flight. Couldn't see how many came off the inbound.
Must admit I thought this route had actually been cancelled. Will be interesting to see how long it lasts.
Galley FM at Monarch reporting they will start Zagreb next summer.
Must admit I thought this route had actually been cancelled. Will be interesting to see how long it lasts.
Galley FM at Monarch reporting they will start Zagreb next summer.
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According to a tweet from a pax on the flight, just 9 people on the inbound BA from Palma this eve. BA will be gone from BHX before anyone realised they were back....no wonder given their choice of routes and timings. Are the loads on their other routes as dire as this?
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May Route Anlaysis
GF - Florence seems okay but the times at once weekly are so bad they defy logic.
I have the May route analysis and can attached as a Google sheet but is this secure as it sure doesn't look it. Otherwise I would have to re-format myself which is tedious.
I have it in a table format but I can't seem to post it easily without losing the format - any ideas?
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I have the May route analysis and can attached as a Google sheet but is this secure as it sure doesn't look it. Otherwise I would have to re-format myself which is tedious.
I have it in a table format but I can't seem to post it easily without losing the format - any ideas?
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BA ~ BHX > PMI
According to a tweet from a pax on the flight, just 9 people on the inbound BA from Palma this eve. BA will be gone from BHX before anyone realised they were back....no wonder given their choice of routes and timings. Are the loads on their other routes as dire as this?
Route (PMI) too late in coming to the market, agree timings abysmal. Outgoing - two weeks ago - had 21 on it and we were told to help ourselves to snacks/non alcoholic drinks from the rear galley. 48 minutes late leaving a very empty/very closed BHX to arrive at quite busy Palma just waking up to Sunday summer turmoil. Last minute booking for me at £29.
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According to a tweet from a pax on the flight, just 9 people on the inbound BA from Palma this eve. BA will be gone from BHX before anyone realised they were back....no wonder given their choice of routes and timings. Are the loads on their other routes as dire as this?
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Florence has been extended to run into November so BA must be happy enough with it's performance or they just don't have anything better for the aircraft to do. It will be interesting to see what happens next year when Jet2 start flying into Pisa as they'll be offering both higher frequencies and friendlier timings.
As for the other routes given the multiple options avaliable for Ibiza, Malaga an Palma I don't think a weekly E175 is going to be a huge loss if they don't return.
As for the other routes given the multiple options avaliable for Ibiza, Malaga an Palma I don't think a weekly E175 is going to be a huge loss if they don't return.
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TBH these routes show little or no commitment to BHX, MAN, GLA etc by BA...they are just getting the EMBs in the air at weekend when they are doing nowt else. I doubt even if any of the weekend bases were a huge success they'd turn in to more than they are now !
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Still obv no improvement behind the scenes: flew Vueling to BCN last week: incoming aircraft arrived a few minutes late, departed an hour late. Inbound flight landed on time, waited 15 minutes for an airbridge to be connected, and a further hour for the bags (from an A320, come on...!). According to the handling agent, 'the aircraft was moved to another stand before the bags were unloaded'. Found this very hard to believe given that (per FR24) the flight back to BCN left on time, so the bags must have been on the tarmac for a good half hour. Not good BHX, and not even at a busy time of day (no EK/QR flight on the ground for example)
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Not down to the airport but the handling agents. Given there is one which serves the majority of airlines operating at BHX, this isn't a rare occurrence for any of them.
Still obv no improvement behind the scenes: flew Vueling to BCN last week: incoming aircraft arrived a few minutes late, departed an hour late. Inbound flight landed on time, waited 15 minutes for an airbridge to be connected, and a further hour for the bags (from an A320, come on...!). According to the handling agent, 'the aircraft was moved to another stand before the bags were unloaded'. Found this very hard to believe given that (per FR24) the flight back to BCN left on time, so the bags must have been on the tarmac for a good half hour. Not good BHX, and not even at a busy time of day (no EK/QR flight on the ground for example)
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Jet2 have just announced a new route from Birmingham to Dalaman for summer 2018. Flights will operate 2x weekly every Monday & Fridays from May 4th. The Birmingham - Antalya route restarts a month earlier than planned on 30th March instead of late-April.
http://www.jet2.com/News/Turkey_capa...for_Summer_18/
http://www.jet2.com/News/Turkey_capa...for_Summer_18/
