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The latest from Brum is that the airport will only allow one of the handlers to have three gpus airside for reasons unknown. The fact that quite a lot of the remote stands do not have a fegp supply means that aircraft have to sit with the apus running on turnarounds which is not cost efficient for the airlines and also causes noise pollution in the local area. Three GPUs are not enough for all the stands without FEGP.
The ID card problems continues as I have now discovered that because some of the handlers staff are on restricted IDs and are waiting for the airport to process their applications they are not allowed to operate as part of the pushback team which means that during the busy period there are not enough of then to go round.
All of this is costing the based airlines money ! Expect serious disruption this summer and I hope that the based airlines have a serious talk with the airport management and tell them to get their act together quickly.
The ID card problems continues as I have now discovered that because some of the handlers staff are on restricted IDs and are waiting for the airport to process their applications they are not allowed to operate as part of the pushback team which means that during the busy period there are not enough of then to go round.
All of this is costing the based airlines money ! Expect serious disruption this summer and I hope that the based airlines have a serious talk with the airport management and tell them to get their act together quickly.
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What the problem is are the handling/cleaning/catering companies leaving it to the last minute to take on new staff to cover the summer rush when they know what the situation will be and don't bother dealing with it until March April time which then leads to a huge hike in passes to be sorted but if they had started recruiting after the new year there wouldn't be such an issue!
What the problem is are the handling/cleaning/catering companies leaving it to the last minute to take on new staff to cover the summer rush when they know what the situation will be and don't bother dealing with it until March April time which then leads to a huge hike in passes to be sorted but if they had started recruiting after the new year there wouldn't be such an issue!
Sine the airport doesn't directly employ most of these people, I would think it far more likely that penny pinching businesses are delaying recruiting / training for as long as possible to save a few pounds on salaries. I suppose you could also then pass some of the blame onward to airlines some of which seem to believe that they shouldn't have to pay for any services, and when they do they drive prices down to virtually unsustainable levels.
That's free enterprise I'm afraid - and it's the punter who demands cheap fares that ultimately pays the price of inconvenience.
That's free enterprise I'm afraid - and it's the punter who demands cheap fares that ultimately pays the price of inconvenience.
That is not correct for those employed by my airline ATNotts. We have lots of cabin crew that have been trained early but cannot fly due to lack of ID card, and consequently are not being paid! How many will wait or find alternative employment remains to be seen.
On a seperate matter I hear that due to the airport making a hash of the drainage during the runway extension it is likely that RW33 will never be able to achieve CAT III again. I cannot think of any other UK airport that has ever permanently lost their all weather capability on a runway.
On a seperate matter I hear that due to the airport making a hash of the drainage during the runway extension it is likely that RW33 will never be able to achieve CAT III again. I cannot think of any other UK airport that has ever permanently lost their all weather capability on a runway.
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TL I'm interested in this one
Can someone enlighten me and everyone else on the saga of the NON CATIII Rwy 33 ILS.
Its been rumbling away for many months.
Is it the Glide Slope propagation plane that’s causing the trouble or is there subsidence of the GS antenna array. As part of the extension works I believe the GS was re located from the East of the runway to the West.
Or is there a problem at the Northerly end with the Localiser Array ?
The project although initially successful (long Runway in use); has gradually turned into a slow burn Aeronautical Civil Engineering Case study worthy of public interest.
As a aside where is Olton Pete - He/she is usually well informed on things like this.
On a more serious note: Are there any publicly available sources where I can get an objective overview of the progress or otherwise of this project.
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Its been rumbling away for many months.
Is it the Glide Slope propagation plane that’s causing the trouble or is there subsidence of the GS antenna array. As part of the extension works I believe the GS was re located from the East of the runway to the West.
Or is there a problem at the Northerly end with the Localiser Array ?
The project although initially successful (long Runway in use); has gradually turned into a slow burn Aeronautical Civil Engineering Case study worthy of public interest.
As a aside where is Olton Pete - He/she is usually well informed on things like this.
On a more serious note: Are there any publicly available sources where I can get an objective overview of the progress or otherwise of this project.
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Hi CATIII-NDB
It seems a bit like the German Tourist sketch in Fawlty Towers "Don't mention the war" but substitute war for CAT 3 ILS on 33.
It has been explained on another group and it is pretty much as TL has said with it believed to be drainage related but I was told it will be sorted.
Despite my tongue-in-cheek reference to Fawlty Towers above, the topic is not banned but you do get the feeling people do get uncomfortable talking about it as it has been a very long time.
Summer 16
Full steam ahead as they say, extra Norwegian Malaga started tonight, Vueling start Tenerife tomorrow, Vueling Alicante started last Saturday, Perpignan back for Ryanair and two extra Alba Star charters a week to Palma for "on the beach", which was a nice surprise adding to their Thursday Thomson flight.
Ryanair Dublin down to four daily on some days until August
Winter 16/7
Norwegian increase Tenerife to three weekly from the start of October and Las Palmas finally released for winter at once weekly but still no sign of Madrid and Barcelona,
Flybe Rotterdam still bookable but from the delayed start date 1 October 2016. Nantes still bookable this winter at 3 a week.
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It seems a bit like the German Tourist sketch in Fawlty Towers "Don't mention the war" but substitute war for CAT 3 ILS on 33.
It has been explained on another group and it is pretty much as TL has said with it believed to be drainage related but I was told it will be sorted.
Despite my tongue-in-cheek reference to Fawlty Towers above, the topic is not banned but you do get the feeling people do get uncomfortable talking about it as it has been a very long time.
Summer 16
Full steam ahead as they say, extra Norwegian Malaga started tonight, Vueling start Tenerife tomorrow, Vueling Alicante started last Saturday, Perpignan back for Ryanair and two extra Alba Star charters a week to Palma for "on the beach", which was a nice surprise adding to their Thursday Thomson flight.
Ryanair Dublin down to four daily on some days until August
Winter 16/7
Norwegian increase Tenerife to three weekly from the start of October and Las Palmas finally released for winter at once weekly but still no sign of Madrid and Barcelona,
Flybe Rotterdam still bookable but from the delayed start date 1 October 2016. Nantes still bookable this winter at 3 a week.
Pete
I was told by a colleague that the loss of Cat III will never be sorted. Other issues include the berms on the western side of the airfield which have been incorrctly profiled and are causing numerous turbulence problems on short final, but some landscaping is planned to rectify this. I asked a relative who was based here in the early 1980s about the turbulence and wind problems on 15/33 and he has no memory of them , which means that the current sporty conditions have been made by the airport management.
I have always found that any airport that is owned by a council(s) is always very poorly managed,as the borough surveyor doesn't have a clue about airport operations!
If any of the airport management read this please send me a pm and I will be pleased to meet them and have a full and frank discussion!.
I have always found that any airport that is owned by a council(s) is always very poorly managed,as the borough surveyor doesn't have a clue about airport operations!
If any of the airport management read this please send me a pm and I will be pleased to meet them and have a full and frank discussion!.
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Thank you both for your contributions - A parallel query re the 33 ILS has also been posted on another site. (Not me)
I've done a bit of research re CAT III Airfield Operations since posting and I hope OltonPete is correct but looking at the situation as an unqualified outsider, it does not very clever.
Re the berms: The Airport management will hopefully be addressing the situation professionally.
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I've done a bit of research re CAT III Airfield Operations since posting and I hope OltonPete is correct but looking at the situation as an unqualified outsider, it does not very clever.
Re the berms: The Airport management will hopefully be addressing the situation professionally.
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I wonder who is to blame for this monumental cock up with the ILS.
When I often visited BHX and saw the runway work there weas often a team from NATS overseeing things like the ILS masts that were moved near the bund .
Also when the localiser was put in end of 33.
Then you have the project managers overseeing.
As Olton Pete has said lets hope it is fixable otherwise pretty embarrassing and at times will be problematic. .
When I often visited BHX and saw the runway work there weas often a team from NATS overseeing things like the ILS masts that were moved near the bund .
Also when the localiser was put in end of 33.
Then you have the project managers overseeing.
As Olton Pete has said lets hope it is fixable otherwise pretty embarrassing and at times will be problematic. .
The airport changed from NATS to BATL , so I suppose the experts packed up and left the airport to it.
There is also an additional notam EGBB-C2091/16 about standing water on the runway edge when the runway is wet.
The notam EGBB C2036/16 and associated work to enhance the taxiways has been cancelled. I wonder how many MOR to the CAA it will take before something is done about the operational management?
There is also an additional notam EGBB-C2091/16 about standing water on the runway edge when the runway is wet.
The notam EGBB C2036/16 and associated work to enhance the taxiways has been cancelled. I wonder how many MOR to the CAA it will take before something is done about the operational management?
Sine the airport doesn't directly employ most of these people, I would think it far more likely that penny pinching businesses are delaying recruiting / training for as long as possible to save a few pounds on salaries. I suppose you could also then pass some of the blame onward to airlines some of which seem to believe that they shouldn't have to pay for any services, and when they do they drive prices down to virtually unsustainable levels.
Shouldn't really be a surprise to the Id card people, or maybe they're the sort who have done all their Christmas shopping already....
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Originally Posted by tubby linton
The airport changed from NATS to BATL , so I suppose the experts packed up and left the airport to it.
ATC services transferred from NATS to the Airport Company on 1st April 2015. Not that the issues with the groundworks around the extension are in any way related to the change of ANSP.
But don't let the facts get in the way....
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Originally Posted by tubby linton
So Big daddy, as you are so well informed who is to blame or are you trying to say it was all Nats fault?
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