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Old 11th Jul 2014, 16:04
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Perhaps not quite as desperate at BHX yet and we expect a 3rd EK service next year.

Also we have the first China Southern charter in a few weeks which will hopefully be expanded.....
But I think this is what Crewmeal was talking about. You hope EK add a 3rd daily, you hope Cassia Travel add more charters, and the point is, yes, both could happen, but, until there is concrete news, its just a bit quiet.
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 17:15
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I have to agree with crewmeal, long haul developments at BHX at the moment are all just airy fairy if's and maybe's. Apart from a 'blink and you miss them' series of flights to Beijing in a couple of weeks, there is nothing at present in terms of long haul airlines and destinations to show for the massive capital investment in the runway extension either this summer or next. There may be more China flights next summer but as LAX_LHR says there is nothing concrete in new long haul in sight.


Yes, getonittt, agreed, EDI is a different airport to BHX and what happens there has little bearing on BHX. But fact is EDI have secured QR, the AUH airline, AC Rouge, US Airways and an expanded schedule from UA in less than 12 months and now overshadows the long haul network at BHX. I should imagine EDI management are very hungry for a China route and I wouldn't be surprised if they get it. However apart from that and the return of DL, I can't see much further viable long haul opportunities from EDI right now.


I'm not saying that BHX should have all these new airlines and routes as at EDI but that is significant and very healthy long haul growth which right now is not happening at BHX. I think that BHX for too long has focused on being an overspill airport for LHR, instead it should have been marketing itself as a stand alone facility with its own many airport, locational and regional market strengths


Ending on a positive note though, BHX pax figures are going up, new routes by BE seem to be doing well, Icelandair are coming next year and it's still a great airport to fly to/from!
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 17:46
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BHX and new routes

It may well be that the airport is holding back on announcements until the day of the official opening of the runway extension!
This would give increased publicity if new route announcements come about!
Here's hoping .....
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 17:51
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But fact is EDI have secured QR, the AUH airline, AC Rouge, US Airways and an expanded schedule from UA in less than 12 months and now overshadows the long haul network at BHX.
Well said GF I couldn't have put it better. Of course EDI is completely different to BHX. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. What I was congratulating EDI on is a second Gulf route, especially when GLA is just down the road. Given that the tourism and sporting markets at EDI are exceptional I wouldn't be surprised to to see other long haul carriers arrive there in future. Whether EK 'eat humble pie' regarding 'going the wrong way' that is being currently debated on the EDI forum remains to be seen.

Paul indeed here's to hoping!
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 18:13
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I have to say that strictly from a PAX point of view I don't particularly relish the idea of BHX expanding much more unless a third roomy and naturally lit 3rd terminal is built. The existing and dire (herding-cattle-into-one-large-and-dark-pen) facility is close enough to capacity for my liking as it is now.
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 18:25
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I've departed from the international pier a few times and find it very amenable - unlike the windowless shopping precinct before it.
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 19:00
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Hotel Tango,


Would you believe the current capacity for the terminal is 18 million, and we are on less than 10 at present !

They really want to develop the old Eurotub built for BA and now incorporated into the one terminal. However it was built for BA hub and spoke and its not possible to convert at reasonable cost BHX claim.

So they will have to demolish it when /if they can afford too. At present the LCC use it most BE/FR.

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Old 11th Jul 2014, 19:19
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LAX-LHR..


Crikey wasn't long ago when people on here were bleating how poor BHX EK was doing and that it was rubbish that Air India would be starting , now look at their figures !

Icelandair WILL be starting a new route from BHX.

Air Transat ARE adding more capacity next year.

One of our long haul airlines ARE going daily very soon.

BHX passenger figures ARE increasing at a good pace and now just below their peak all time peak .

Fly Be HAVE expanded considerably in recent months out of BHX

Monarch HAVE just added 2 new winter sched routes for this winter.

Thomson ARE increasing their long haul flights out of BHX from this winter.


Hope that helps.


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Old 11th Jul 2014, 19:34
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One of our long haul airlines ARE going daily very soon
Which one is that? Only 2 less than daily long hauls (excluding Thomson), which is Air India and PIA. Again, nothing concrete (ei bookable) about them increasing. Last I read, BHX has said it hopes AI will go daily and possibly add a westbound tag? If that's what you are eluding to?


Air Transat ARE adding more capacity next year.
But still refuse to add even a 2nd weekly? Surely questions have to be raised why this is and just how long can a 1 weekly offering be sustainable?
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 21:25
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LGS, yes the pier itself is fine and generally I escape to it as soon as possible. On the down side, once on the pier there is only one departure info screen and there is little in the way of amenities. The only refreshments/snacks outlet is closed more often than open every time I use the airport. If you want a meal it's a case of having to eat in the dark and noisy dungeon they call a departure lounge

Nigel, my point exactly. Already now at 10 million it can get pretty horrid at peak times.
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 21:50
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talking of long haul.....

It’s appears that PIA how now reduced their flights out of Birmingham with only 3 weekly flights, Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday, with the Saturday flight no longer showing in their booking engine for at least the rest of the year.

At least we get the Thomson 787 from next friday, replacing the 767 on the Montego Bay, Cancun and Orlando Services!
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 21:51
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"Dark and noisy dungeon"?? We must fly from different airports!!
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 21:53
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AI At BHX

Crikey wasn't long ago when people on here were bleating how poor BHX EK was doing and that it was rubbish that Air India would be starting , now look at their figures !
Wasn't rubbishing BHX at the time, was unconvinced that AI would get its act together (would have made the same comments if AI was planning MAN, NCL, GLA, EDI, or anywhere else). Made no comments about EK at BHX.

Was proven wrong, spectacularly so as it happens, and had to eat my hat. BTW, it tasted good, but not that good.
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Old 12th Jul 2014, 07:04
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"Dark and noisy dungeon"?? We must fly from different airports!!
every time I fly from there I get dismayed at how much more of the seating area has gone over to retail or reserved by eateries - it's time they put in shared brand agnostic 'food hall' style seating.

Does anyone know what the "comfort time" is for the seats in the departure time (the designed in time before the user becomes uncomfortable and gets up to walk around ... to the retail)
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Old 12th Jul 2014, 08:41
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BDS10, I guess you're a FlyBe or Ryanair pax then The former Eurohub pier is much more pleasant to use as at least it offers decent facilities and a view of the outside world. The main departure lounge, sorry I mean shopping mall, is windowless.
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Old 12th Jul 2014, 19:18
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PIA

PIA on a regular basis reduce from 4 to 3 and did so a few weeks ago as well. The timetable then shows the flight not operating for the rest of the year but usually changes.

It may be different this time but I doubt it.

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Old 14th Jul 2014, 15:12
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TCX

Extra TCX aircraft summer 2015.

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Old 14th Jul 2014, 16:21
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TCX

Great news the article here Thomas Cook Airlines Offers More Destinations And Flights From Birmingham Airport in 2015 - Birmingham Airport

New destinations Lesbos and Kalamata and along with TOM they also add Djerba
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Old 14th Jul 2014, 20:28
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Thomas Cook/KLM

Good news re Thomas Cook especially the destinations chosen.

KLM

Not so good news as KLM seem to be slashing winter capacity across the UK.

BHX loses a flight - KL1423 which is the 10.15-10.45 arrival but KL1421, 31 & 35 are 800's. Disappointingly 1425 is an F70 and if had been a 190 BHX would have been up.

It is only about 30 seats down a day on last winter and this loss will be dwarfed by flybe's increase of 40 seats per flight when the 195 starts on all three weekday flights.

Manchester goes from 6 to 5 as does EDI, Glasgow from 5 to 4 and Heathrow has seven Hoppers (2 x 190 & 5 x F70) our f 12 flights

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The Middle East effect on KLM ?
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