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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 11:27
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AIR FRANCE to close its bases

Air France to close its bases, MRS, NCE and TLS:

Le Figaro - Socits : Air France va fermer ses bases Marseille, Nice et Toulouse

In French only, happy new year.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 11:49
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I remember BA having bases in MAN and BHX which are now gone.
The base at LGW has seen a massive reduction in staff and wholesale contracting out.
All the flavour of the month for better or worse.
France has been slow to realise the threat and advantages that the so call LoCo model can bring with it.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 11:53
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It's false.
Denial by airfrance.

Air France dément songer à fermer trois bases en province, Actualités

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 13:05
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gcal, the concept of "bases de province" is 1 year old at AF.
I fail to see how it has been slow
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 15:23
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Those bases were created to compete with easyJet. As said only some months ago, closing them would be a massive bleeder and admission of stupidity on AF behalf. I don't believe it.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 16:07
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Originally Posted by AlphaZuluRomeo View Post
gcal, the concept of "bases de province" is 1 year old at AF.
I fail to see how it has been slow
I'd agree with gcal's original comment that AF's response to the invasion of LCCs in France has been very slow. The "bases de province" have come very late, long after FR/EZY have colonised a large number of trunk routes which were previously the cash cow for AF domestic operations.

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It's false.
Denial by airfrance.
Oh, well, that's OK then, if an airline denies it, that must mean there's no truth to it. End of story.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 16:25
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In Le Monde news paper, AF says to be just about to make a "Low Cost" offer.
Don't they confuse Low Cost operations (which they are unable to manage ) and "Low Fare" tickets, which are indeed different?
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 19:39
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The big difference between BA and Air France and is that BA has responded to the Low Cost Airline challenge by targeting different market segments from its three London bases. At Gatwick for example it offers full service but low cost routes to, primarily, higher end leisure destinations that can fill both club and economy cabins. It also maintains a presence for some connecting and business passengers. On very busy routes it splits operations between LHR and LGW to ensure higher demand for leisure travel doesn't diminish LHR yields.(e.g Las Vegas, Barcelona and Nice). London City targets high yield business point to point whlist LHR remains the biggest international hub in the world.
In addition the fact that BA has not been as protected as AF for years means that it has had to respond more quickly and effectively to changing market conditions. Indeed at Gatwick next summer it is competing very effectively with Easyjet, Monarch et al on prime summer routes offering in some cases lower fares. To do this it undertooK a radical cost cutting programme that is now beginning to produce positive results for the base especially in SH, as LH from there was already doing ok.
I am not sure if AF has the capability or will to make these changes. In addition it continues to enjoy government protection that very few other European airlines are allowed under EU rules. I am not sure why these never seem to apply to AF!!

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 19:51
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Central planning
State Subsidies

Does this remind anyone of anything?
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 20:07
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and can now no longer be used as an excuse for BA reopening sub bases back in ie MAN.
"Air France manage to have regional hubs " etc...
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 20:20
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AF regional bases

So AF is going back to funnelling pax through its CDG and ORY hubs?

Hardly a surprise! These days it's unusual in Europe for legacy carriers to be multi-base or have focus cities. LH is very much an exception.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:21
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Is it just me or are LH doing somewhat better than AF/KLM at the moment? Does that tell you something? Maybe BA made a mistake? Look at MAN/BHX have the routes gone?no they're just flown by other carriers. BA have streamlined, AF would struggle with the French Unions!
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