One 787 Customer is Fed Up
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One 787 Customer is Fed Up
Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker told Bloomberg, “These problems are unacceptable because [787s have] been flying for the last 14 months.” He added that Boeing has “to get their act together very fast because we at Qatar Airways will not accept any more defects.”
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You should quote the context and article, it reads very differently then.
Your quote about them being unhappy with them is actually unhappy with a failure:
Aka, he's just playing hard ball for compensation for the incident. This could be because the contract specifically rules it out for commercial losses being an early purchase.
Lower down you will see his view on the aircraft itself:
That reads very differently from the assertion above taken out of context.
Article:
Qatar Dreamliner Grounded on Fault Echoing United Jet
Your quote about them being unhappy with them is actually unhappy with a failure:
The plane may remain grounded for at least another four days while Boeing sends spares and a recovery team.
“These problems are unacceptable because this aircraft has been flying for the last 14 months,” Al Baker said, referring to the Dreamliner, which entered commercial service late last year. He added that Doha-based Qatar Air will ask Boeing to cover its losses. “Definitely we will demand compensation. We are not buying airplanes from them to put in a museum.
“These problems are unacceptable because this aircraft has been flying for the last 14 months,” Al Baker said, referring to the Dreamliner, which entered commercial service late last year. He added that Doha-based Qatar Air will ask Boeing to cover its losses. “Definitely we will demand compensation. We are not buying airplanes from them to put in a museum.
Lower down you will see his view on the aircraft itself:
Still, the performance of 787s delivered has been “quite adequate,” Al Baker said, and Qatar Air has seen no evidence of a separate fuel-leak problem that led the FAA a week ago to order inspections and repairs.
“Boeing makes fine airplanes,” he said. “We hope we will always work with them as long as they satisfy our requirements.”
“Boeing makes fine airplanes,” he said. “We hope we will always work with them as long as they satisfy our requirements.”
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Qatar Dreamliner Grounded on Fault Echoing United Jet
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The article I cited did state: He added that Boeing has “to get their act together very fast because we at Qatar Airways will not accept any more defects.”
Apparenly the article you cited did not.
Three Boeing 787s have had electrical issues | ATWOnline
Apparenly the article you cited did not.
Three Boeing 787s have had electrical issues | ATWOnline
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You are both correct.
The Bloomberg article, as published on Dec 13th, did contain the "Qatar Airways will not accept any more defects" quote (still visible in Google's cached version), but those words were subsequently removed when the page was updated the following day.
Pretty daft thing to say, anyway - Al Baker clearly doesn't expect the 787 (or any other aircraft in Qatar's fleet, come to that) to remain defect-free for its entire service life.
The Bloomberg article, as published on Dec 13th, did contain the "Qatar Airways will not accept any more defects" quote (still visible in Google's cached version), but those words were subsequently removed when the page was updated the following day.
Pretty daft thing to say, anyway - Al Baker clearly doesn't expect the 787 (or any other aircraft in Qatar's fleet, come to that) to remain defect-free for its entire service life.
IMHO Al Bakar comes across as a bit of a bully boy.
If you look at the current fleet of in-service 787's in Flightaware, and check the available flight histories, there is only the United diversion.
Obviously Boeing completely screwed-up with their assumptions on how fast they could bring to service such a completely new design, and if I were a Boeing shareholder I would have been a bit annoyed with the constant delays.
However, most of the airlines seem to be very happy with the performance of the aircraft in service, ANA, for example see a greater demand by passengers who want to fly on it.
If you look at the current fleet of in-service 787's in Flightaware, and check the available flight histories, there is only the United diversion.
Obviously Boeing completely screwed-up with their assumptions on how fast they could bring to service such a completely new design, and if I were a Boeing shareholder I would have been a bit annoyed with the constant delays.
However, most of the airlines seem to be very happy with the performance of the aircraft in service, ANA, for example see a greater demand by passengers who want to fly on it.
Al Baker - instead of whingeing how about when one of your aircraft is stuck on the ramp in DXB for over an hour in 45 degree heat, instructing your cabin crew to have the basic common courtesy to inform the passengers what is going on, but not before the idiots have found the 'on' switch for the aircraft's a/c!!!!! 
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Snags will always happen with a new type into service. I am sure that thousands of pax will fly with them, just to experience the 787. This will more than cover any AOG costs.
I am sure Boeing (still the best Airline Mftr in my opinion!) will provide excellent customer service and turn the 78's around ASAP.
Cover the costs of the AOG - good one Baker!
It's not a camel.....
I am sure Boeing (still the best Airline Mftr in my opinion!) will provide excellent customer service and turn the 78's around ASAP.
Cover the costs of the AOG - good one Baker!
It's not a camel.....
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He has in the past commented on the A350 saying it doesn't meet their needs etc etc. Like any good negotiator he's looking for the best deal for Qatar so he's hardly likely to sing the praises of the manufacturer. Teething troubles are to be expected but no doubt Boeing and Airbus factor in a "baker" cost
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al baker
mr baker is a psychopath.
he tells boeing and airbus how to build airplanes and engine manufacterers how to build engines.
the time has come that someone tells him to shut his stupid mouth
he tells boeing and airbus how to build airplanes and engine manufacterers how to build engines.
the time has come that someone tells him to shut his stupid mouth
Call me Al
mr baker is a psychopath.
he tells boeing and airbus how to build airplanes and engine manufacterers how to build engines.
he tells boeing and airbus how to build airplanes and engine manufacterers how to build engines.
Heaven forbid that he should think that gives him any influence with the manufacturers ...
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Abooo Bakerman
Leave the Flt Deck to go for a pee without your cap 'you're fired', take a bottle of Evian into the Flt Deck from 1st ( instead of that ****e Dasani), you're fired.
Everyone works under a veil of fear from this man. This goes WAY back.
Everyone works under a veil of fear from this man. This goes WAY back.
The nerve of him. Bet he even haggles over the sticker price of the planes. None of you naysayers haggle when you buy a car I would hope. If you do, you better apply some of the same unflattering titles to yourselves.
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Leave the Flt Deck to go for a pee without your cap 'you're fired', take a
bottle of Evian into the Flt Deck from 1st ( instead of that ****e Dasani),
you're fired.
Everyone works under a veil of fear from this man. This goes
WAY back
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What I find interesting is that Mr.Baker appears to enjoy airing his displeasure very publicly. While I'm sure Boeing is hearing an earful from many of its customers (justly so), the only one you hear about is Mr. Baker. Is this truly helpful? In my mind, not very professional nor in the best interest of anyone. His comments are spiteful, harsh, and generally do nothing more than reflect on his management style. You never hear anything of the sort from major industry CEOs when things don't go as planned. There are better ways to resolve issues than airing them on the front page and with such venom.
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I agree somewhat with KTLPAX - Mr Baker does indeed like the sound of his own voice
Unfortunately it's a disease that afflicts almost all airline CEO's..
Juan Tripp, Freddie Laker, Sir Colin Marshall, the Bearded Beast, Herb Kelleher, Mr Ryanair............. the list is long
Unfortunately it's a disease that afflicts almost all airline CEO's..
Juan Tripp, Freddie Laker, Sir Colin Marshall, the Bearded Beast, Herb Kelleher, Mr Ryanair............. the list is long
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Would have helped if you gave the english translation straight away?
Second (other) boeing translates for polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) 787 necessary < belong > Dreamliner, which (who) has arrived to friday for country, could not carry away for vienna evening of (in the evening of) passenger. In machine, just as in first copy, it notice (remark) fault. It within several days next such inconvenience already and next cause for aggravation of (excitement of) passenger. Many of we has bought tickets " only and for flight (lot) exclusively " Dreamlinerem it writes on contact 24 - @ mariush. Arrival second (other) has landed on warsaw airport to friday 15 / second (other) after hour Dreamlinera TVN24 Dreamliner Chopina. Machine has arrived from united states from factory of boeing in (to) - straight Everett. According to early information of marek (mark; mark) Kłucińskiego, spokesman polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT), second (other) had to fly about hour with passengers for vienna same day 17.20 else Dreamliner. As spokesman has informed, however, it notice (remark) signalling apparatus of certain fault in machine. She (it) has been tried out. However, aircraft could not start. Passengers have managed for vienna boeing 737. They are already proficient " both (both of) Dreamlinery. Machine, which (who) has arrived to friday for poland, it has flown out to saturday before hour to planned for london 8 lot (flight; lot) " marek (mark) has informed our editorial - Kłuciński, spokesman polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT). Fault first according to information of spokesman repaired Dreamlinera, mechanical fault has managed to repair to friday in first machine from the point of view of her (it) (, could not realize aircraft to wednesday flights, thursday and fives (friday) ). Had damage of largeness one mechanical centimeter in regions of under-carriage " first Dreamliner. Aircraft is such machine, fix-up must be tried out in which (who) each " spokesman said to friday polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) - . According to its (his) information, fault has been repaired already and machine will carry away to saturday of passenger for london. Carrier translates all faults according to it (him) " disease century (age) children's " (, introduce can cause new machines for service on start problems ). Instead of Dreamlinerem have convened passengers from summer (year) - aircraft " reminiscent polish motor transport " " next case (together; time) polish line (rope) 80-tych. But damage. We have been invested (located) replacements for it in aircraft, which (who) remember polish motor transport for illusion from summer (year) 80-tych. Decor of interior even and they are treated seats as additional highlights here " obdarte it jittered in mail for editorial of contact 24 - @ Paweł. It has not flew to sunday too not first case (together; time), when passengers could not fly new Dreamlinerem. Machine has been recaptured to sunday from flight for munich, but would-be passengers have flown off with several hour delay on board of boeing 737 Dreamlinera. Press office inform polish airlines lot (flight; lot) enigmatycznie, that it has not proceeded by the reason of necessity lot (flight; lot) " conducting additional test ". " Untrust and profession (contest) they accompany passengers - such emotion, it has redeemed from which (who) many from the point of view of lot (flight; lot) specially exactly " Dreamlinera internaut wrote in mail -, which (who) has informed us about case. Then one of passenger has written on contact 24, that aircraft had problem with electricity. We were on board " already. Suddenly < snap > it has been made darkly " it inform -. It read about sunday problems more " " Dreamlinera Skołowani material about problems with new acquisition for poland from united states polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) new acquisition polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) boeing 787 15 november - see " fact " arrive straight Dreamliner. It SEE RATES OF REPORTERS 24 of ARRIVAL. Fleet of polish carrier will count five aircraft of these types for march 2013 year. Machine has executed first commercial flight 14 december, when it has flown from warsaw for prague. Has to fly for vienna also Dreamliner, munich, frankfurt, hanover, kiev, budapest and brussels. According to present plans ", second (other) will serve flights (lot) from february 2013 year " Dreamliner LOT-u dalekodystansowe company has served -.
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Second (other) boeing translates for polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) 787 necessary < belong > Dreamliner, which (who) has arrived to friday for country, could not carry away for vienna evening of (in the evening of) passenger. In machine, just as in first copy, it notice (remark) fault. It within several days next such inconvenience already and next cause for aggravation of (excitement of) passenger. Many of we has bought tickets " only and for flight (lot) exclusively " Dreamlinerem it writes on contact 24 - @ mariush. Arrival second (other) has landed on warsaw airport to friday 15 / second (other) after hour Dreamlinera TVN24 Dreamliner Chopina. Machine has arrived from united states from factory of boeing in (to) - straight Everett. According to early information of marek (mark; mark) Kłucińskiego, spokesman polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT), second (other) had to fly about hour with passengers for vienna same day 17.20 else Dreamliner. As spokesman has informed, however, it notice (remark) signalling apparatus of certain fault in machine. She (it) has been tried out. However, aircraft could not start. Passengers have managed for vienna boeing 737. They are already proficient " both (both of) Dreamlinery. Machine, which (who) has arrived to friday for poland, it has flown out to saturday before hour to planned for london 8 lot (flight; lot) " marek (mark) has informed our editorial - Kłuciński, spokesman polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT). Fault first according to information of spokesman repaired Dreamlinera, mechanical fault has managed to repair to friday in first machine from the point of view of her (it) (, could not realize aircraft to wednesday flights, thursday and fives (friday) ). Had damage of largeness one mechanical centimeter in regions of under-carriage " first Dreamliner. Aircraft is such machine, fix-up must be tried out in which (who) each " spokesman said to friday polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) - . According to its (his) information, fault has been repaired already and machine will carry away to saturday of passenger for london. Carrier translates all faults according to it (him) " disease century (age) children's " (, introduce can cause new machines for service on start problems ). Instead of Dreamlinerem have convened passengers from summer (year) - aircraft " reminiscent polish motor transport " " next case (together; time) polish line (rope) 80-tych. But damage. We have been invested (located) replacements for it in aircraft, which (who) remember polish motor transport for illusion from summer (year) 80-tych. Decor of interior even and they are treated seats as additional highlights here " obdarte it jittered in mail for editorial of contact 24 - @ Paweł. It has not flew to sunday too not first case (together; time), when passengers could not fly new Dreamlinerem. Machine has been recaptured to sunday from flight for munich, but would-be passengers have flown off with several hour delay on board of boeing 737 Dreamlinera. Press office inform polish airlines lot (flight; lot) enigmatycznie, that it has not proceeded by the reason of necessity lot (flight; lot) " conducting additional test ". " Untrust and profession (contest) they accompany passengers - such emotion, it has redeemed from which (who) many from the point of view of lot (flight; lot) specially exactly " Dreamlinera internaut wrote in mail -, which (who) has informed us about case. Then one of passenger has written on contact 24, that aircraft had problem with electricity. We were on board " already. Suddenly < snap > it has been made darkly " it inform -. It read about sunday problems more " " Dreamlinera Skołowani material about problems with new acquisition for poland from united states polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) new acquisition polish airlines LOT (FLIGHT; LOT) boeing 787 15 november - see " fact " arrive straight Dreamliner. It SEE RATES OF REPORTERS 24 of ARRIVAL. Fleet of polish carrier will count five aircraft of these types for march 2013 year. Machine has executed first commercial flight 14 december, when it has flown from warsaw for prague. Has to fly for vienna also Dreamliner, munich, frankfurt, hanover, kiev, budapest and brussels. According to present plans ", second (other) will serve flights (lot) from february 2013 year " Dreamliner LOT-u dalekodystansowe company has served -.
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