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Old 21st May 2014, 13:23
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Could one not reasonably assume that they have been "considering options" in that regard for the past two years?

If options actually exist I'm rather surprised that they haven't been implemented by now.
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Old 21st May 2014, 14:13
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Maybe the airport has to guarantee a certain amount of passengers before it goes ahead and wasn't in a position to do so before.
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Old 21st May 2014, 14:37
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According to a new item on the London Southend Airport website almost 10,000 advance tickets have been sold on the new Flybe routes thus far. Sounds quite encouraging?
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Old 24th May 2014, 00:05
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THOMSON/FIRST CHOICE start their summer service to PALMA MALLORCA on the 24th MAY using VOLOTEA airlines again
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Old 26th May 2014, 17:06
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FMO

On the first weekend of June SEN-FMO is available for less than £40 RETURN. Following weekends around £60. Not sure whether that's an encouraging sign re Load/Yield, but if in the SEN area and free in June, worthwhile to take a trip to Muenster! Pictures of Muenster: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mu...w=1920&bih=979
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Old 26th May 2014, 19:14
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As of 26 May, heavy discounting appears to apply to just the first few days on new routes at SEN (ie 05 June to 08 June). After this very brief period, prices seem to become a little more conventional. I accept that this is just an observation at a single moment in time and doesn't reflect broader pricing policy
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Old 26th May 2014, 19:28
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Dublin flights

Any clue as to whether the DUB is suspended for the winter -trying to book a New York via Dublin on December and no flights bookable
Other uk dep points have deps avail -is the intention not to operate this winter ??
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Old 26th May 2014, 21:09
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Good Lord - as someone who has used the Southend-Dublin service several times can it be true that there will be no Winter service. That would truly be a disaster. Surely it cannot be true????
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Old 26th May 2014, 21:28
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Why can't it be true?
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Old 27th May 2014, 07:56
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I would have thought it unlikely in the extreme that they will not operate SEN-DUB this winter. They are certainly doing themselves no favours by delaying its release though.
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Old 27th May 2014, 09:30
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Maybe there is a problem between the agreement with Stobart Air/Aer Arran and Aer Lingus? Dublin is not a seasonal beach resort. It is an interesting city busy with tourist and business people all the year round. Perhaps the new schedule will be announced once the early and late trains at SEN get sorted out.
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Old 27th May 2014, 10:22
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I do have a small insight into the situation which leads me to believe that the route will certainly continue through the winter and that the schedule will appear in due course.
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Old 27th May 2014, 10:30
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Also it appears that EI-REM and EI-REL will be the Flybe/Stobart Air aircraft both ATR72-500s not 600s. Presumably they will be painted into Flybe colours(?)

Link: Stobart Air to base two ATR72-500s out of Southend for Flybe. ops - ch-aviation.com
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Old 27th May 2014, 12:10
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Yes they will be repainted. EI-REL is currently being done in Dublin.
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Old 27th May 2014, 12:22
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I thought winter flights were on sale previously, perhaps I dreamt that.

I saw pax numbers for April were substantially increased on last year, and all flights now seem to be operated by the 72
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Old 27th May 2014, 13:38
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I haven't been following the passenger figures but could we be heading for the long rumoured 4th daily flight (on the days where there are currently 3 flights), or even an up-gauge to an A319 on Aer Lingus mainline?
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Dream on.....>Stobarts dont have A319s
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Old 27th May 2014, 13:56
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That's why I said Aer Lingus mainline. More likely would be additional rotations on an ATR I would have thought though.
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Old 27th May 2014, 14:09
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Originally Posted by SENChris
I haven't been following the passenger figures but could we be heading for the long rumoured 4th daily flight (on the days where there are currently 3 flights), or even an up-gauge to an A319 on Aer Lingus mainline?
Upgauge to an A319? You're having a laugh, surely?

The DUB-SEN route is a great deal more important to Stobart than to Aer Lingus. I'd imagine that Stobart is happy to underwrite the route, but why would Aer Lingus increase capacity at their own risk? The only real interest for Aer Lingus is the potential US connecting passengers, and they can get those with the existing ATR service at someone else's commercial risk, thanks very much.

Here's a quick experiment. Say I want to fly from Dublin to London on Aer Lingus next Tuesday morning (just after the long weekend, so a reasonably busy day for business travel).

Some one-way prices for you, courtesy of Google Flights just now:

Departure time from DUB One-way fare
06.40 LHR €306
07.10 LGW €236
07.40 LHR €306
08.50 LHR €306
09.00 LGW €206
09.10 SEN €30 (yes, thirty euros. This is not a typo.)
09.50 LHR €306

If Aer Lingus offered sightseeing flights around Dublin I think they'd achieve a better yield than that. The fact that the DUB-SEN flight is on sale at €30 implies either that loads are dreadfully low or that the revenue management is totally screwed up, and neither of those is an encouraging foundation for a switch to a larger aircraft.

I know that's only one morning (though the evening flight is €30 too!) but it's hardly an encouraging sign. But don't worry, I think Stobart will keep writing the cheques for a while...


On another note, though, I was puzzled to note when extracting the above information from Google Flights that it doesn't recognise SEN as a London airport. You ask for flights from DUB to LON, and it shows all the usual London airport suspects, but not SEN. I had thought the airport had resolved this issue (having SEN recognised by IATA as a London airport) some time ago.
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Old 27th May 2014, 15:49
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I was puzzled to note when extracting the above information from Google Flights that it doesn't recognise SEN as a London airport.
And that's why I never use Google Flights - it will only allow you to select 5 airports for the city - if you use the drop down and select more airports you will find that LONDON Southend is on there.

09.10 SEN €30 (yes, thirty euros. This is not a typo.)
And when you try to book it amazingly the fare jumps up 55.99 Euros.
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