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These sort of charters require lots of coaches (to pick up/drop off where), overtime for security & handling and get put straight through so spend very little cash.
FBOs on the other hand lease extra stands and sort everything out. Income from this landing and navigation fees all for very little hassle to the normal operation.
FBOs on the other hand lease extra stands and sort everything out. Income from this landing and navigation fees all for very little hassle to the normal operation.
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Flybe slots at Gatwick
So with the proposed sale of Flybe slots to Easy I wonder if the airport might get them to re introduce Waterford next year as it has been highly rumoured to happen and maybe a couple of other routes------or as others over in Essex are hoping its a up and move to STN for Flybe
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So as expected FlyBE have sold their Gatwick slots to easyJet, but no mention of them transferring these routes moving to another London airport like Luton.
BBC News - Flybe sells Gatwick take-off and landing slots to Easyjet
There is still however time, as the routes will continue until March 2014...
Even though Luton is pretty rammed and lacking space to park planes over night, there is always a chance they could start up flights to Luton operating from the base where the routes could fly from.
easyJet dominates Luton on the routes domestically, there could be room for some flights to Manchester, Belfast City, Newcastle, Gurnsey and possibly a morning and evening flight to Inverness. While the Jersey and IOM routes could be increased to daily or even maybe twice daily!
BBC News - Flybe sells Gatwick take-off and landing slots to Easyjet
There is still however time, as the routes will continue until March 2014...
Even though Luton is pretty rammed and lacking space to park planes over night, there is always a chance they could start up flights to Luton operating from the base where the routes could fly from.
easyJet dominates Luton on the routes domestically, there could be room for some flights to Manchester, Belfast City, Newcastle, Gurnsey and possibly a morning and evening flight to Inverness. While the Jersey and IOM routes could be increased to daily or even maybe twice daily!
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easyJet dominates Luton on the routes domestically, there could be room for some flights to Manchester, Belfast City, Newcastle, Gurnsey and possibly a morning and evening flight to Inverness. While the Jersey and IOM routes could be increased to daily or even maybe twice daily!
BHD LTN would not make sense given that they wont see a competitor enter BHD onto that route, moving it over again, would make an establish route BFS LTN attractive to FR. Besides why would they dilute the current offering that supports up to 320s on some flights. Good loads and yields. GCI wont happen with easyJet 319, wouldnt work?
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easyJet have done STN NCL and it was axed, so cannot see LTN NCL being any more attractive.
BHD LTN would not make sense given that they wont see a competitor enter BHD onto that route, moving it over again, would make an establish route BFS LTN attractive to FR. Besides why would they dilute the current offering that supports up to 320s on some flights. Good loads and yields. GCI wont happen with easyJet 319, wouldnt work?
BHD LTN would not make sense given that they wont see a competitor enter BHD onto that route, moving it over again, would make an establish route BFS LTN attractive to FR. Besides why would they dilute the current offering that supports up to 320s on some flights. Good loads and yields. GCI wont happen with easyJet 319, wouldnt work?
I was talking about FlyBE transferring some of their London ops to Luton, not easyJet increasing their presence more on the domestic front from Luton.
I was talking about a diluted version of their current Gatwick ops, where a number of routes might work if they flew into Luton, while not competing head to head with easyJets routes from the airport.
I think NCL, MAN and BHD could work with 2 or 3 flights a day. Also INV at different times to the easyJet flight. One or two daily flights to the likes of GCI, JER and IOM could also work. Then throw in a daily flight to Waterford too!
I am probably been far too optimistic, but I was told the other day I was being negative!
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It would seem by the words from FlyBe in today's various articles that they will leave the London market. I could be wrong, but we will probably have to wait at least until Summer 2014 flights go on sale before anything regarding FlyBe moving to another London airport.
I would have thought though that Stansted would be the most likely option since there is virtually nill presence of domestic services now other than Belfast, Edinburgh and Glasgow. I can see STN - BHD, GCI, IOM, INV, JER, NQY, NCL all having strong potential for them and one or two other new additions since there is much less direct competition (only the International Airport in Belfast is served now and Ryanair doesn't and is extremely unlikely to start flying these routes). Perhaps they could finally bring CDG to Stansted, but again I'm perhaps being too optimistic also!
I can't see there being a 2 or 3x daily service to Newcastle or links to Manchester working from Luton though. I would be surprised even to see 2 or 3 flights a day to the Isle Of Man or Jersey. Manchester and Newcastle have both been served from Stansted before, in which the latter certainly had a market in order to sustain 2 daily A319's on the route for several years. Sadly, APD is the main reason for the loss of these domestic routes and for that reason, may never be picked up by FlyBe or anybody else for that matter.
I would have thought though that Stansted would be the most likely option since there is virtually nill presence of domestic services now other than Belfast, Edinburgh and Glasgow. I can see STN - BHD, GCI, IOM, INV, JER, NQY, NCL all having strong potential for them and one or two other new additions since there is much less direct competition (only the International Airport in Belfast is served now and Ryanair doesn't and is extremely unlikely to start flying these routes). Perhaps they could finally bring CDG to Stansted, but again I'm perhaps being too optimistic also!
I can't see there being a 2 or 3x daily service to Newcastle or links to Manchester working from Luton though. I would be surprised even to see 2 or 3 flights a day to the Isle Of Man or Jersey. Manchester and Newcastle have both been served from Stansted before, in which the latter certainly had a market in order to sustain 2 daily A319's on the route for several years. Sadly, APD is the main reason for the loss of these domestic routes and for that reason, may never be picked up by FlyBe or anybody else for that matter.
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I can see STN - BHD, GCI, IOM, INV, JER, NQY, NCL
- Air UK did daily F100 on the route in the past, in 90s (if I recall)
- Not sure if JEA/BE did it in the intervening time, as they did do a BFS STN with BAC 1-11
- Air Berlin double daily F100 and 737 (up to 7k pax pm)
- Ryanair up to 5 daily 738 (up to 31k pax pm)
- bmibaby up to 2 daily 733 (up to 10.5k pax pm)
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"The primary focus for our growth in London for the next few years will be Stansted," added Mr O'Leary. He said the new Stansted owner – Manchester Airports Group – had been a "breath of fresh air".
I understand that Flybe will not be leaving the London market, but will likely be a smaller operation from an airport well north of the Thames. This could possibly mean additional aircraft at Luton, but not Flybe.
I understand that Flybe will not be leaving the London market, but will likely be a smaller operation from an airport well north of the Thames. This could possibly mean additional aircraft at Luton, but not Flybe.
More economic illiteracy from FRatSTN:
Stansted is in the middle of the countryside. People don't live there in large numbers. Connections are worse than at LHR, LGW and LTN, and that's the reason why domestics - which have continued from other London-area airports - have failed at Stansted.
The only reason that BEE have to select Stansted is that there is no competition. And that means no-one else has made a go of these routes from rural Essex.
Actually, I don't think BEE will base at Luton either. They will probably reposition themselves as a regional airline, connecting the UK's regions, which they do well. Their largest bases are SOU and EXT, both of which are classic regional centres. The best LTN can hope for is a Waterford link - the traffic is there - but that alone wouldn't justify opening a base.
I would have thought though that Stansted would be the most likely option since there is virtually nill (sic) presence of domestic services now other than Belfast, Edinburgh and Glasgow.
The only reason that BEE have to select Stansted is that there is no competition. And that means no-one else has made a go of these routes from rural Essex.
Actually, I don't think BEE will base at Luton either. They will probably reposition themselves as a regional airline, connecting the UK's regions, which they do well. Their largest bases are SOU and EXT, both of which are classic regional centres. The best LTN can hope for is a Waterford link - the traffic is there - but that alone wouldn't justify opening a base.
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LGS, have you not worn the needle out on that record yet
.. Stansted has a Station which LTN does not, Luton Parkway is NOT at the Airport & please refresh me on passenger numbers are they more at LTN than STN?. And before you say they are falling at STN they have grown for the last 3 months and are likely to grow even more under MAG ownership.
.. Stansted has a Station which LTN does not, Luton Parkway is NOT at the Airport & please refresh me on passenger numbers are they more at LTN than STN?. And before you say they are falling at STN they have grown for the last 3 months and are likely to grow even more under MAG ownership.
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Er.. yes they have.
Belfast City:
Air Berlin
Ryanair
BmiBaby
Isle of Man:
Manx2
Newcastle:
EasyJet
Newquay:
Ryanair
Inverness has been tried many years ago but was never reinstated. Jersey and Guernsey are already served by Aurigny yet on lower frequency than in previous years but like virtually every other case up there, is not due passenger demand in which you insinuate. APD or even closure of the operator in BmiBaby's case has lead to the reduction in domestic traffic and why FlyBe may have a good chance to step in and recover these services once again given a more competetive cost base than Gatwick was willing to give them.
Gatwick and Heathrow have also seen rapid reduction in domestic flight capacity in recent years and Stansted is no worse or better off really. As for Luton, I can't see how a bunch of Orange and Pink & purple metal is giving better connections than Stansted offers. I think that's just you pride taking over again. Stansted already offers better connections through Air Berlin and Germanwings via Germany and Pegasus via Istanbul for a start.
That's not to mention that Stansted has the greatest number of scheduled European destinations in the world! This is a great way that any domestic services could be promoted for onward connectivity yet even in FlyBe's case, the vast majority of their London passengers will be travelling point-to-point anyway.
Of course however since these routes have never been tried before and that nobody wants to fly to Stansted (except the 17 million people who will use it this year) there is not a cat in hells chance that we will ever see any development!!!
And that means no-one else has made a go of these routes from rural Essex.
Belfast City:
Air Berlin
Ryanair
BmiBaby
Isle of Man:
Manx2
Newcastle:
EasyJet
Newquay:
Ryanair
Inverness has been tried many years ago but was never reinstated. Jersey and Guernsey are already served by Aurigny yet on lower frequency than in previous years but like virtually every other case up there, is not due passenger demand in which you insinuate. APD or even closure of the operator in BmiBaby's case has lead to the reduction in domestic traffic and why FlyBe may have a good chance to step in and recover these services once again given a more competetive cost base than Gatwick was willing to give them.
Connections are worse than at LHR, LGW and LTN, and that's the reason why domestics - which have continued from other London-area airports - have failed at Stansted.
That's not to mention that Stansted has the greatest number of scheduled European destinations in the world! This is a great way that any domestic services could be promoted for onward connectivity yet even in FlyBe's case, the vast majority of their London passengers will be travelling point-to-point anyway.
Of course however since these routes have never been tried before and that nobody wants to fly to Stansted (except the 17 million people who will use it this year) there is not a cat in hells chance that we will ever see any development!!!
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Whilst the future operator of luton is surrounded by uncertainly, MAG are on the 'war path' in Essex, that is why MOL comments are relevant.
If I was within MAG marketing dept I would be courting Wizz, Monarch, El-Al, Flybe, Thomson and Ryanair (4 airframes).
easyJet seem to be winding down Stansted, so spare airframes go to Southend and.....?
If LBC and whoever has the concession are not careful, a carbon copy of 1991 could happen again.
If I was a Luton Council Tax payer, I would be rather concerned at a 'potential' revenue shortfall.
Never mind, I am sure LBC and Abertis have matters in hand.
The White Elephant might just be re-awakening!
If I was within MAG marketing dept I would be courting Wizz, Monarch, El-Al, Flybe, Thomson and Ryanair (4 airframes).
easyJet seem to be winding down Stansted, so spare airframes go to Southend and.....?
If LBC and whoever has the concession are not careful, a carbon copy of 1991 could happen again.
If I was a Luton Council Tax payer, I would be rather concerned at a 'potential' revenue shortfall.
Never mind, I am sure LBC and Abertis have matters in hand.
The White Elephant might just be re-awakening!
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Why the worry. Because of the high demand of flying into London and the lack of expansion pretty much anywhere around here if certain Airlines leave to go to STN someone will eventually fill the gap. I dont see ELAL going to STN, They have it made at Luton. Monarch? Eh all we seem to be is a Maintenance base for them anyway. Thomson increased flights. Easyjet is more interested in LGW as we have all been aware for some time.
I keep seeing Wizz mentioned but i see 0 chance of them wasting all their time and money moving to STN when it works so well at LTN. If anything I think LTN will pick up a few more airlines as they are continually being squeezed out of LHR/LGW.
The expansion of executive jet operations at the airport seems to be never ending.
btw the Diverted planes as far as I saw on the boards were 1 British Airways flightcode, 1 Virgin, 1 KLM and 1 carrying Cityflyer flightcode.
I keep seeing Wizz mentioned but i see 0 chance of them wasting all their time and money moving to STN when it works so well at LTN. If anything I think LTN will pick up a few more airlines as they are continually being squeezed out of LHR/LGW.
The expansion of executive jet operations at the airport seems to be never ending.
btw the Diverted planes as far as I saw on the boards were 1 British Airways flightcode, 1 Virgin, 1 KLM and 1 carrying Cityflyer flightcode.
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Can we keep all the Stansted guff on that particular thread. Do we really need to have yet another slanging match?
The management at Luton really shouldn't be complacent, because they have virtually nil overnighting aircraft other than based aircraft. That said, who knows whether that would be different if there was space to park up.
Michael O'Leary wouldn't be making them sort of noises if he wasn't getting a good deal for his airline.
The management at Luton really shouldn't be complacent, because they have virtually nil overnighting aircraft other than based aircraft. That said, who knows whether that would be different if there was space to park up.
Michael O'Leary wouldn't be making them sort of noises if he wasn't getting a good deal for his airline.
Article in today's 'Telegraph' about business jets:
Private jets take off in cash-strapped Britain - Telegraph
....says Luton is the fourth busiest for this type of movement in Europe, with 12,371 movements last year after Paris Le Bourget (24,412), Geneva Cointrin (17,824) and Nice Cote d'Azur (14,091).
Private jets take off in cash-strapped Britain - Telegraph
....says Luton is the fourth busiest for this type of movement in Europe, with 12,371 movements last year after Paris Le Bourget (24,412), Geneva Cointrin (17,824) and Nice Cote d'Azur (14,091).
Monarch 2014
Some increases in flying from ZB next year.
Comparing June 2013 with June 2014, there is an increase of 14 flights per week - presumably one additional airframe to be based? The increase is less marked in July (+9).
Comparing June 2013 with June 2014, there is an increase of 14 flights per week - presumably one additional airframe to be based? The increase is less marked in July (+9).
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LGS6753, I thought that was always going to happen? When decisions about fleet bases were made, Luton had no space, but would in 2014.
Look fellow PPRuNers I have a dilema, which bus or coach to london is safe, I don't fancy being 'culled'! Rumours of Bus Wars at Luton airport escalating!
Meanwhile, somewhere in Essex, folk have a plan to grow 2 airports. As for the Luton plan, any idea when construction starts? Probably when we get our 30 points back!
Anyway, time to hand back my Crystal Palace shirt and put my easyJet one back on!
Watford.....haahahahahah
Look fellow PPRuNers I have a dilema, which bus or coach to london is safe, I don't fancy being 'culled'! Rumours of Bus Wars at Luton airport escalating!
Meanwhile, somewhere in Essex, folk have a plan to grow 2 airports. As for the Luton plan, any idea when construction starts? Probably when we get our 30 points back!
Anyway, time to hand back my Crystal Palace shirt and put my easyJet one back on!
Watford.....haahahahahah
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