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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 17:17
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FT reporting that Billund may see all operations closed if unions blockade flights lather this month.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c58364d6-2...#axzz3eqUxNWOJ
Ryanair can find other routes, Billund will struggle to get someone bringing in as many passengers.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 17:42
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Ryanair can find other routes, Billund will struggle to get someone bringing in as many passengers.
Yes however I expect most is outbound going by the route network...

Seasonal - Alicante, Bergamo, Chania, Corfu, Girona, Malta, Palma de Mallorca, Pisa, Rome-Ciampino, Treviso

Year Round - Budapest, London-Stansted, Málaga, Tenerife-South

Bar London/Budapesst most is outbound,

DY will pick it up most if they see a market while lots of charters serve the same routes.

The real thing here is will FR decide to pull out of other countries as if they lose the appeal this won't be the last cases....

So you feel that a Company should just be able to unilaterally break a contract and nobody has a right to challenge it for damages ?

Funny done right at start of European Holiday Season as well.
Clearly Hertz believe FR breached contracts by allowing GDS bookings which could have major impact if holiday companies book flights instead of people doing it. Hertz must be quiet confident they will win any case as they know FR wouldn't just leave it.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 18:10
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Clearly Hertz believe FR breached contracts by allowing GDS bookings which could have major impact if holiday companies book flights instead of people doing it. Hertz must be quiet confident they will win any case as they know FR wouldn't just leave it.
Point is that FR have been using GDS for over a year, hence could understand if it was on day 1 but a year plus is not even close.

Problem for Hertz will be that it will lose a substantial portion of business who booked via Ryanair, now they will book everybody, Hertz will of course pick up some of this business anyway maybe at a better price.
However I doubt that this will compensate as simply their fleet buying decisions will already have been made and losing a substantial element of business will be a struggle.

Will be interesting for some of the Hertz Franchise holders who probably will have a claim against Franchise owner. If they acted to damage their business by cancelling a contract with a major business provider.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 18:14
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The real thing here is will FR decide to pull out of other countries as if they lose the appeal this won't be the last cases....
It will go to EU as do you want unelected Unions deciding who can do business in what country across the EU.

After all in Ireland would you like Unions to be deciding whom Aer Lingus can recruit in manangement jobs ........................like the old days.
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Racedo, having dealt with most car rental groups over the years, i think its fair to say that Hertz are a reputable business from an ethics point of view, they would not bin a long term agreement with Ryanair at short notice without very good reason and having taken legal advice.

The worst hire company i have dealt with is gold car, the main problem being all the very small print and extras, but as you have pointed out on this forum many times in defence of Ryanair if people sign or tick the 'i have read and understood' box without actually having done so then they have only their self to blame.

Of course Ryanair have a right to redress if they have been damaged.

I have mixed views on the situation in Copenhagen, FR can challenge it at a European level no doubt, perhaps if MOL just reflected on how good his airline could be if he was fair to his (non) employees, walking around M+S today i was impressed to see their signage about being fair to their partners in the supply chain.

I posted on a several years ago that sooner or later FR would have to address its image if it wanted to enjoy higher returns, good to see the markets working
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 19:59
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Is Hertz a bigger outfit that RYR? Will this be a battle of 2 giants or a David & Goliath tiff. Who needs whom the more?
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NEW BASE N°74 : GOTHENBURG

Welcome to Ryanair!
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Racedo, having dealt with most car rental groups over the years, i think its fair to say that Hertz are a reputable business from an ethics point of view, they would not bin a long term agreement with Ryanair at short notice without very good reason and having taken legal advice.
Likely a gungho response from someone rather than a well thought out plan.

Legal advice generally is to issue grievance and give a clear time line to allow other party to resolve it. It then allows a withdrawal but clear intent has already been established and cover yourself from a legal persepctive. Lawyers on both sides will get rich on this.

I dropped a car off at an airport tonight and they said Summer will take care of itself but they expect volumes to drop, however from September onwards he is forecasting 15-20% minimum drop in business and that was feeling lucky. It means he expects to lose 3-5 people minimum. At some airports that are wholly reliant on Ryanair he said it was likely that the operation would close. He was not happy and felt Hertz had stitched him up.

Something I did not know was that many of the people who check the cars in are "classified" as self employed rather than employees.
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Danish unions are wrong-footed as Ryanair ditches Copenhagen base - Independent.ie

Danish Unions want Ryanair to stay now................. so after blockading flights a number of months ago, advocating people to not do they job they paid for and striking against a company they not employed by they can't understand why Ryanair moved assets elsewhere.

What number do unions call in Denmark to get in touch with reality ?
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 10:52
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"What number do unions call in Denmark to get in touch with reality ?"


Probably the easyJet number, since there don't appear to be any disputes with them.
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 13:46
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Point is that FR have been using GDS for over a year, hence could understand if it was on day 1 but a year plus is not even close.

Problem for Hertz will be that it will lose a substantial portion of business who booked via Ryanair, now they will book everybody, Hertz will of course pick up some of this business anyway maybe at a better price.
However I doubt that this will compensate as simply their fleet buying decisions will already have been made and losing a substantial element of business will be a struggle.

Will be interesting for some of the Hertz Franchise holders who probably will have a claim against Franchise owner. If they acted to damage their business by cancelling a contract with a major business provider.
We don't know if they just stopped or they discussed it with Ryanair prior to the announcement. There is a lot more to this I expect, will be an interesting case.
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 15:25
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We don't know if they just stopped or they discussed it with Ryanair prior to the announcement. There is a lot more to this I expect, will be an interesting case.
Hertz have had a huge push on Ryanair business in 2015 apparently in Uk as told to me at Hertz office I normally use. Regular calls with managers around the business highlight who is top and bottom. Announcement made that as Hertz losing money apparently then that was why they walked away.
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 03:13
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Looks like Ryanair will be flying from Krakow - Eilat Airport, should be announced shortly.
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 09:53
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Eilat announced, starting November.

Ryanair’s Israeli operations will deliver:
  • 3 new routes to Budapest (2 x weekly), Kaunas (2 x weekly) & Krakow (2 x weekly)
  • 6 weekly return flights to/from Eilat Ovda Airport
  • 40,000 customers p.a.
- See more at: Welcome to Ryanair!
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 20:43
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Eilat announced, starting November.

Ryanair’s Israeli operations will deliver:
3 new routes to Budapest (2 x weekly), Kaunas (2 x weekly) & Krakow (2 x weekly)
6 weekly return flights to/from Eilat Ovda Airport
40,000 customers p.a.
- See more at: Welcome to Ryanair!
Forgets to say they are getting €45 per passenger, lets see how long they stay once it ends!

Israel offers cash incentives for airlines flying to Eilat - Airline Industry Today - EIN News
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 11:30
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Amsterdam

The AMS slots are rumoured for 5 daily STN and 4 daily DUB.
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 14:47
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They simply requested the slots for STN and DUB and got 9 daily slots. The spokeswoman for the Dutch Slot Allocation said that they have until the end of August to decide whether they are going to use them. They requested and received slots before, but this time the request "looks serious", she said. She added that the slots have been allocated for STN and DUB, but they can still change those destinations... even during the W15 season itself.
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 15:57
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Head to Head with ez from STN. Interesting. Why AMS and not EIN or even MST?
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 16:40
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Or GRQ....

EIN, MST and GRQ ar quit far away from Amsterdam, even according to Ryanair standards. Thats why AMS is a interesting new market for Ryanair.

I would prefer that Ryanair returns to GRQ, but I'm not optimistic, because of these developments.
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 16:51
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FR already do up to 3x daily STN-EIN and they tried MST again a couple of years ago then dropped it.

I'm sure FR's change of strategy and evident shift to more primary airports over the last couple of years will have something to do with it.

Only a matter of time before AMS I think.
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