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I so hope that this is true. We'd love to go to Naples but the main reason why we haven't been is because Ryanair don't fly there and there couldn't be better choices than Stansted and East Midlands.
I actually hope they move the Trapani base to Catania, Trapani is very remote and isn't in such in nice location in my opinion.
I actually hope they move the Trapani base to Catania, Trapani is very remote and isn't in such in nice location in my opinion.
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Yes and EasyJet will probably pull another aircraft out and shift it to Southend knowing them and then possibly later regret it when Stansted's new owners give them a better offer.
In my opinion, I prefer Ryanair anyway (hence my user name) as I must be one in a thousand who prefer the service of Ryanair to EasyJet. I have found that over the years, EasyJet's website has massively deteriated whilst Ryanair's is generally improving although still too many ads and the captcha, but with an LCC you need to take that with a pinch of salt. I have found EasyJet to become over the top with trying to adapt itself to focus on business traveller, almost trying to become more like a full service carrier and trying to build on it's "easy" theme. For instance, there is no longer just a plain and simple route map so I can just see where they fly to. They now have this "Inspire me" map and now it's a google map image where I have to hover over each destination to see actually where it is and whats there and all the rest of it and I find that more difficult.
Alot of people complain about Ryanair never stop trying to sell stuff on the plane and announcing over the tannoy what they are flogging next, disturbing your relaxation, but I actually find EasyJet to be worse at this. I must have been asked if I wanted to buy something at least 10 times on a 3 hour flight to Marrakech, looking a bit annoyed every time people said no. They went down the aisle 4 times with food/drinks, kept trying to sell duty free and the rest of it, each time shouting it over the tannoy that they were coming down with the trolley as well as cabin crew being a little unfriendly and looking bored at times, which I was particularly surprised at as I always remember EasyJet crew always being up for a bit of a laugh and a joke.
So in a nutshell, despite EasyJet already serving Naples, I welcome the news that Ryanair want to fly there as they are a lot cheaper if you book at the right times and I persoanlly prefer the onboard service.
In my opinion, I prefer Ryanair anyway (hence my user name) as I must be one in a thousand who prefer the service of Ryanair to EasyJet. I have found that over the years, EasyJet's website has massively deteriated whilst Ryanair's is generally improving although still too many ads and the captcha, but with an LCC you need to take that with a pinch of salt. I have found EasyJet to become over the top with trying to adapt itself to focus on business traveller, almost trying to become more like a full service carrier and trying to build on it's "easy" theme. For instance, there is no longer just a plain and simple route map so I can just see where they fly to. They now have this "Inspire me" map and now it's a google map image where I have to hover over each destination to see actually where it is and whats there and all the rest of it and I find that more difficult.
Alot of people complain about Ryanair never stop trying to sell stuff on the plane and announcing over the tannoy what they are flogging next, disturbing your relaxation, but I actually find EasyJet to be worse at this. I must have been asked if I wanted to buy something at least 10 times on a 3 hour flight to Marrakech, looking a bit annoyed every time people said no. They went down the aisle 4 times with food/drinks, kept trying to sell duty free and the rest of it, each time shouting it over the tannoy that they were coming down with the trolley as well as cabin crew being a little unfriendly and looking bored at times, which I was particularly surprised at as I always remember EasyJet crew always being up for a bit of a laugh and a joke.
So in a nutshell, despite EasyJet already serving Naples, I welcome the news that Ryanair want to fly there as they are a lot cheaper if you book at the right times and I persoanlly prefer the onboard service.
Forgive me for putting a dampener on things but Ryanair has gone through the exercise many times of requesting slots only to hand them back without using them.
Will the slots be granted to FR and if so, will FR definitely use them ?
Will the slots be granted to FR and if so, will FR definitely use them ?
FRatSTN - explain, if you will, how EZY have gone over the top in attracting business travellers? Can't say I've noticed that.
And as for the web-sites of the two companies - EZY's is simple and easy to use - eg I don't have to scroll through various countries to select 'no insurance'.
Finally, I would suggest that over 90% of pax know where they want to fly, so the 'Inspire me' map is not really a problem. At least with EZY I know that when they say they fly to BCN, they actually land near to the city in question!
And as for the web-sites of the two companies - EZY's is simple and easy to use - eg I don't have to scroll through various countries to select 'no insurance'.
Finally, I would suggest that over 90% of pax know where they want to fly, so the 'Inspire me' map is not really a problem. At least with EZY I know that when they say they fly to BCN, they actually land near to the city in question!
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@davidjohnson6 Absolutely not. They only requested the slots and they are not even granted yet. In the case of Rotterdam for instance, they received the slots and still decided to pull out. So, the start of flights to any of these destinations is still far away. Difference is that RTM isnt looking for the lowcost traffic and both Catania and Naples welcomes Wizz Air flight, which I consider to be in the same segment as Ryanair.
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The flights to / from Catania do not think will be confirmed .. The slots are reported with the same flight number, same frequencies of Trapani ..
In recent weeks, Ryanair and TPS have confirmed their commitment (7 new routes, and increases on other routes) .. So for the summer 2013 I do not think Ryanair arrive in Catania, in my opinion.
In recent weeks, Ryanair and TPS have confirmed their commitment (7 new routes, and increases on other routes) .. So for the summer 2013 I do not think Ryanair arrive in Catania, in my opinion.
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Ryanair make if perfectly clear when they are not flying to the main airport (and just for the record Ryanair do fly to BCN a lot more than EZY do although that is an exception to the rule generally I agree). With EasyJet, it is a pain in the bum to change your search if it's not quite what you're looking more as you have to remove your old flight from your "basket" manually, which I find a lot more frustrating than clicking UK in the travel insurance drop down menu on Ryanair.
Also, EasyJet are very funny with their fares. Ryanair tends to charge very similar, in most cases the same fare, for the weekdays (especially Tues-Thu)and charge more at weekends. Although EasyJet also do this, every flight is a different fare most of the time where a Tuesday morning flight may be cheaper than Wednesday afternoon but a Thursday midday may be cheaper still. I find this frustrating as finding the very cheapest fare is much more difficult to do and you have to travel on very specific flights in order to get the cheapest fare, where the very cheapest (especially on the more holiday routes) get back at 1 or 2 am where with Ryanait, the time often doesn't make much difference to the base fare, just the day of the week. It's little things like that whcih I don't particularly like about EZY although I would still fly with them in they were considerably cheaper than Ryanair.
Also, EasyJet are very funny with their fares. Ryanair tends to charge very similar, in most cases the same fare, for the weekdays (especially Tues-Thu)and charge more at weekends. Although EasyJet also do this, every flight is a different fare most of the time where a Tuesday morning flight may be cheaper than Wednesday afternoon but a Thursday midday may be cheaper still. I find this frustrating as finding the very cheapest fare is much more difficult to do and you have to travel on very specific flights in order to get the cheapest fare, where the very cheapest (especially on the more holiday routes) get back at 1 or 2 am where with Ryanait, the time often doesn't make much difference to the base fare, just the day of the week. It's little things like that whcih I don't particularly like about EZY although I would still fly with them in they were considerably cheaper than Ryanair.
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Have to agree that EZY are far more superior to FR. There is a lot less hard sell on-board and a more civilised cabin with crew that actually have customer service training.
As for FR's website is pure $hite, sorry.
I'll use RyanAir but only as a last resort for flights under 1.5 hours if the price is right and I've packed my noise cancelling headphones.
As for FR's website is pure $hite, sorry.
I'll use RyanAir but only as a last resort for flights under 1.5 hours if the price is right and I've packed my noise cancelling headphones.
FRatSTN - thanks for your considered reply, although you do seem to be making a great deal about EZY charging different prices for different days. Personally I have never seen this as an issue, just a pure case of supply and demand.
I cannot however agree with your comment that FR make it 'pefectly clear' if they are not flying to the main airport of a city. Beauvais or Weeze for example - if I want to fly to Paris or Dusseldorf I would expect to land somewhat closer to the city than these two airports.
I cannot however agree with your comment that FR make it 'pefectly clear' if they are not flying to the main airport of a city. Beauvais or Weeze for example - if I want to fly to Paris or Dusseldorf I would expect to land somewhat closer to the city than these two airports.
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Well its interesting to get a different view, I have flown with both and i was quite impressed with FR in part because my expectation was so low,but on balance Easyjet are better but more expensive.
Website wise i find that with Ryanair that they have set traps at every turn, in fact the whole process is stressful with, i feel i can only relax when I'm out of the terminal with my luggage.
I think Easyjet are doing well out of Southend and there is little or no chance of FR going there from what I here, haven't flown from STN for some time so not sure how the place looks with mainly FR, LHR/LGW is better for me now i've moved.
Website wise i find that with Ryanair that they have set traps at every turn, in fact the whole process is stressful with, i feel i can only relax when I'm out of the terminal with my luggage.
I think Easyjet are doing well out of Southend and there is little or no chance of FR going there from what I here, haven't flown from STN for some time so not sure how the place looks with mainly FR, LHR/LGW is better for me now i've moved.
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No im sorry but the easyJet website is much better, minus the route map. The crew do not hard sell often, the flow of service is simple and crew stick to it. Often on a UK-Spain route the crew will only try and sell food/drink once maybe twice if time. Where the rule in FR is a second service is a must on all flights over 90mins, on a UK-RAK you would be expected to do 3/4 services.
I know crew in both airlines and I would say the crew service is much better in easyJet, the crew and base have targets for customer service, and crew are actually trainned in customer service. FR still has no formal customer service trainning untill later in the year, and thats only on new crew.
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I know crew in both airlines and I would say the crew service is much better in easyJet, the crew and base have targets for customer service, and crew are actually trainned in customer service. FR still has no formal customer service trainning untill later in the year, and thats only on new crew.
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But as wowzz says, why is this an issue? I would expect a Monday morning DUB-LGW flight to cost more than a Monday evening flight (for example), simply because more people want to fly to London on Monday morning - simple supply and demand, the core of LCC revenue management.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, though, which is very interesting. Ryanair has plenty of detractors and defenders, but even the defenders (understandably) point to its low fares as part of the reason they like it. It's rarer to find someone who finds the Ryanair website/onboard product (as opposed to the fares) better than EZY.
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The average joe just likes whoever will get him from A to B for the best price when they want to go. That means if it's EZY, there you go. If it's FR fine. Who really cares? Personally I think both airlines do what they each do very well, there's gap growing between the two and both those clever people in Dublin and Luton know this and are happy with it.
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I do fly EZY occassionally but prefer FR and have flown with them more. Plus look at my location. We are not really served that well by EZY round here anyway with one of the larges FR bases in the UK less than half an hour up the road.
I have flown from Stansted to Dublin with Ryanair in actual fact, in June 2011. It was a day trip returning the same day, flight departed at 08:10 and we got back to STN at 19:50 the same day, it was a Tuesday. We paid £42 in total for 3 people (£7 each way per person) and all other flights on the day and those around it were the same, even the weekend before in this case, so I re-iterate my prference to the way that Ryanair generally structure their fares. With EZY (I know they don't go to DUB but use AMS as an example) I'd expect one flgiht to be £14.95 another to be £17.99, another to be £16.49 etc.
I have flown from Stansted to Dublin with Ryanair in actual fact, in June 2011. It was a day trip returning the same day, flight departed at 08:10 and we got back to STN at 19:50 the same day, it was a Tuesday. We paid £42 in total for 3 people (£7 each way per person) and all other flights on the day and those around it were the same, even the weekend before in this case, so I re-iterate my prference to the way that Ryanair generally structure their fares. With EZY (I know they don't go to DUB but use AMS as an example) I'd expect one flgiht to be £14.95 another to be £17.99, another to be £16.49 etc.
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