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I wonder if this is the final nail in the coffin for BA's kangaroo route. With the gulf carriers having swamped the EU-ME-AUS routes, can BA ever compete effectively again on any route down under, standing alone? And would they want to?
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can BA ever compete effectively again on any route down under, standing alone? And would they want to?
Given the extra crewing requirements for the double leg, there must be other places in Asia or S America (BOG / SCL?) that can generate an easier return?
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I cannot see BA giving up the Sydney route too easily, once upon a time up to late 80s they served a host of Australian destinations including Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth, Melbourne.
They are also unlikely to walk away and leave the London Sydney route to Virgin (as the other British carrier on the route).
If QF come out of OW that may have a material effect and encourage BA to stay put but as I say cannot see it coming.
They are also unlikely to walk away and leave the London Sydney route to Virgin (as the other British carrier on the route).
If QF come out of OW that may have a material effect and encourage BA to stay put but as I say cannot see it coming.
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From an emotive sense, it would be a huge shame for BA to pull out of Oz. However, a single daily flight to SYD burns a load of crew hours and the a/c sits in SYD for 10 1/2 hours before starting back, not efficient. From most European gateways, and UK regions, to all major Oz cities it is now only one stop via the gulf. Can BA charge enough of a premium and have 2 stops (for those not originating at LHR) to continue to make it a viable alternative to EK/EY/QR?
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They are also unlikely to walk away and leave the London Sydney route to Virgin (as the other British carrier on the route).
Well I've been operating LHR - SYD for many years (both via SIN & BKK) and can easily tell what the loads are like - full both ways 
As to yield, if you phone Waterside and ask for RevMan.................
they won't tell you either!!
As to yield, if you phone Waterside and ask for RevMan.................
they won't tell you either!!
Is it confirmed that QF will remain in OW? I can't see them wanting to lose all that AA feed at LAX.
If they are remaining presumably One World tickets will still be sold on the Kangeroo route which - useful if you wish to stopover at say HKG on the way out & SIN on the way back. Then there are OW RTW fares.
Could BA / QF make a separate agreement covering tickets for local transport within Oz / Europe as part of multi stop itinerarys? Of course there's always Trailfinders.
As mentioned BA currently codesgare with CX to AKL (in competition with CX all the way) so I would imagine that doing the same to MEL / BNE would be possible. Same applies with MH if BA were to fly to KUL.
If they are remaining presumably One World tickets will still be sold on the Kangeroo route which - useful if you wish to stopover at say HKG on the way out & SIN on the way back. Then there are OW RTW fares.
Could BA / QF make a separate agreement covering tickets for local transport within Oz / Europe as part of multi stop itinerarys? Of course there's always Trailfinders.
As mentioned BA currently codesgare with CX to AKL (in competition with CX all the way) so I would imagine that doing the same to MEL / BNE would be possible. Same applies with MH if BA were to fly to KUL.
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QF have said they're staying in OW, however it will mean that the BA and QF flights will be available as competing flights are differing prices, where as generally they're at the same price currently (depending upon load sold at time of booking)
Thus I would expect that you will still book a QF to MEL as a BA codeshare...
Thus I would expect that you will still book a QF to MEL as a BA codeshare...
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Looks like the start of the next change to to the Hub-n-Spoke. The big international hubs move and carriers Meet-n-Swap in the middle.
At first, some carriers will continue with their own end-to-end on the very long hauls to keep market share and reduce risk of bagagge loss with the change.
Then they will find that their costs and prices are much higher and they are losing market share.
So they make similar agreements.
Within 10 years, VERY few of the very/ultra long hauls will operate with single a/c all the way through.
Just a thought.
At first, some carriers will continue with their own end-to-end on the very long hauls to keep market share and reduce risk of bagagge loss with the change.
Then they will find that their costs and prices are much higher and they are losing market share.
So they make similar agreements.
Within 10 years, VERY few of the very/ultra long hauls will operate with single a/c all the way through.
Just a thought.
Interestingly, there was a report in the Financial Times a few days ago to the effect that BA were in discussions with QR reference possible co-operation in the Asia-Pacific region.
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Strong rumours in recent weeks ,that BA will sponsor QR into OW with
announcement within a couple of weeks.
QR has been epanding OZ services, e.g. PER added in recent months.
QR are behind EK and EY in the OZ market but BA traffic would help address that.
Presumption is that BA wud move some of traffic currently routed via QF codeshare on to QR.
Have no doubt BA will continue to serve SIN - i think the majority of high yield traffic on the Kangaroo route is on LHR/SIN/LHR , while OZ provides the volume in economy but at low yield.Plus QF must have carried some point to point LHR/SIN/LHR trffic which will be up for grabs when they terminate the segment.
The SIN/SYD /SIN legs require utilise the equiv of one hull , so it must be tempting for BA to scrap this and use the aircraft to do a daily return elsewhere.
Whether BA would maintain 2 SIN terminators , I don-t know .
They could for e.g. do 1 SIN terminator and 1 KUL terminator and tie this in with MH services to OZ. On the other hand given SQ freq on SIN , 1 a day would make them a very minor player on a fairly key route.
Or they could keep 2 SIN terminators and add KUL terminator as well partially resourced by pulling SIN/SYD.
In summary , BA/ could scrap SIN/SYD leg and route OZ traffic on a combination of MH via KUL and QR via DOH and ditch QF altogether.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
Strong rumours in recent weeks ,that BA will sponsor QR into OW with
announcement within a couple of weeks.
QR has been epanding OZ services, e.g. PER added in recent months.
QR are behind EK and EY in the OZ market but BA traffic would help address that.
Presumption is that BA wud move some of traffic currently routed via QF codeshare on to QR.
Have no doubt BA will continue to serve SIN - i think the majority of high yield traffic on the Kangaroo route is on LHR/SIN/LHR , while OZ provides the volume in economy but at low yield.Plus QF must have carried some point to point LHR/SIN/LHR trffic which will be up for grabs when they terminate the segment.
The SIN/SYD /SIN legs require utilise the equiv of one hull , so it must be tempting for BA to scrap this and use the aircraft to do a daily return elsewhere.
Whether BA would maintain 2 SIN terminators , I don-t know .
They could for e.g. do 1 SIN terminator and 1 KUL terminator and tie this in with MH services to OZ. On the other hand given SQ freq on SIN , 1 a day would make them a very minor player on a fairly key route.
Or they could keep 2 SIN terminators and add KUL terminator as well partially resourced by pulling SIN/SYD.
In summary , BA/ could scrap SIN/SYD leg and route OZ traffic on a combination of MH via KUL and QR via DOH and ditch QF altogether.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
If QF are going to reroute their flights from Australia, from SIN to DXB, to connect with EK, how will this affect what they can operate and carry? SYD-DXB is 2x as far as SYD-SIN, and further than SIN-LHR. Can a 747 or A380 make money on the route? No 787s, remember. Do EK make money on their current routings to/from Oz with their 777s/A380s/A340s, some of which don't go direct?
