LIVERPOOL-3

[LAX_LHR]

My dear friend i did not mention or mean Manchester why are you so Paranoid.I was meaning another field altogether

Sorry, my bad. No paranoia here, but, my point still stands, no harm in mentioning names if the word is already getting out.

[StoneyBridge Radar]

I would love too but if i did the money grabbers at another strip would try and pinch them

Do you honestly, I mean honestly, believe that's how it works?

Respectfully, that shows a shocking level of naivety.

Let's place it in the same file as "three good news stories from three airlines coming" and "big news at the beginning of the year." Just do a search to see who posted those little nuggets.

Move on, nothing to see here...again.

[airadio]

Hmm i love coming on here it keeps me sane

[LAX_LHR]

Im not interested in getting personal, just interested in potential new routes/airlines.

[EZY7117LPL]

Lot's of people saying that it's too late for anyone at LPL this year, airlines are still anouncing routes starting in June/July now and Monarch announced EMA as a base in May with flights starting in August last year!

[dwlpl]

DEPARTURES
EZY7179 06:00 Malaga
FR4038 06:00 Kos
EZY7141 06:10 Palma de Mallorca
FR9886 06:20 Alicante
FR443 06:30 Dublin
FR4252 06:35 Lodz
FR9622 06:35 Vilnius
FR1443 06:45 Dublin
EZY7133 07:00 Minorca
EZY7157 07:00 Lanzarote
EZY7193 07:05 Faro
EZY7083 07:10 Lisbon
EZY7253 07:50 Krakow
FR1135 09:10 Shannon
FR9824 09:20 Barcelona-Reus

Dont like unwrapping your chips in this cold weather but thats 15 departures you reckon in the first 3h20mins of a Sunday morning.

BUT last year there were 14 in the whole am period.....

[North West]

I would love too but if i did the money grabbers at another strip would try and pinch them

Do you honestly, I mean honestly, believe that's how it works?

They don't read here, but airport pricing policy has played a *major* part in the movement of capacity between LPL and MAN. Post K O'T arrival at MAN, there has been a real push for volume and a very deliberate policy of getting after the LPL (and LBA) catchment areas. The Gtr Mcr catchment area alone doesn't justify the capital outlay on 2 runways & 3 terminals so Merseyside and Yorkshire are integral to getting the volume in through the doors. They are also more likely to buy car parking and pre-departure hotel nights, than the local Gtr Mcr punters, which makes them a valuable source of revenue.

I'm not sure why the matter can't be debated in a grown up way, without people peddling their own inferiority or superiority complexes.

EDIT - to reinforce to point. 2012 passenger data

MAN/LPL, combined - just 55,000 passenger growth vs 2011; 0.2% growth
Rest of UK - 0.6% growth
London Airports - 1.0% growth

[johnnychips]

North West wrote:

I'm not sure why the matter can't be debated in a grown up way, without people peddling their own inferiority or superiority complexes.

EDIT - to reinforce to point. 2012 passenger data

MAN/LPL, combined - just 55,000 passenger growth vs 2011; 0.2% growth
Rest of UK - 0.6% growth
London Airports - 1.0% growth

A very sensible post.

[FRatSTN]

Dont like unwrapping your chips in this cold weather but thats 15 departures you reckon in the first 3h20mins of a Sunday morning.

BUT last year there were 14 in the whole am period.....

Well I can't see how that works if there were 15 aircraft (9 EZY and 6 FR) based there last year compared to 13 (7 EZY and 6 FR) this year. FR have always done at least 1 early morning departure to Dublin everyday allowing for that aircraft to do a 2nd am departure, so simple calculations say it must have been at least 16 last year, unless you reckon 2 or 3 aircraft were sitting on the ground until the afternoon every Sunday, which seems highly unrealistic!

[Phileas Fogg]

I have no idea but, just a suggestion, would aircraft maintenance "down time" be a thing of the past?

These are not Corgi/Dinky/Matchbox toys, these airframes do need some TLC from time to time and it's not all about scoring more points than an airport down the road someplace.

[TSR2]

The Gtr Mcr catchment area alone doesn't justify the capital outlay on 2 runways & 3 terminals so Merseyside and Yorkshire are integral to getting the volume in through the doors.

Yes, I'm sure you are correct but from the CAA figures, Merseyside far more so than Yorkshire.

LPL -787,904 (-15.00%)

MAN +843,746 (+4.47%)

LBA +13,636 (+0.46%)

[AndyH52]

Liverpool has indeed lost market share in the last five years, but only around 2%, in a market (counting LBA, BLK, MAN and LPL) that in 2012 was still 11% below the level of 2007. So yes a smaller slice but of a similarly smaller pie.

As Suzeman rightly says Having a well run, profitable business will mean more to the Management than their place in the league table.

[Suzeman]

FR at STN

Of course it's relevant. LPL will not want to lose out to its rivals or lose market share. BRS is in comfortable ninth place so LPL, NCL and EMA will all be fighting to make it in the top ten.

If you were in the real world of Airport Management, you would realise that that is a complete load of cobblers. As I said the priority is to run a profitable and efficient airport meeting the needs of its catchment, not willy waving about position in the league table.

[FRatSTN]

BRS is in comfortable ninth place so LPL, NCL and EMA will all be fighting to make it in the top ten.

That was supposed to come across more metaphorically than literally. The basic principal is that they all want to be as busy, and as you say, profitable as they can.

However, Liverpool will not want to fall too far behind their rivals in terms of passenger numbers since doing so would make them lose out to the competition and lose market share, since in the longer term, it's ultimately going to make attracting new business and growing profits more challenging.

Competitiveness will be just as much as a priority as profits in any airport, in order to sustain growth. You make it seem that any airport can go along and do it's own thing and not having to worry that it may be slipping behind other rival airports, as long as it's making a profit.

[AndyH52]

I doubt very much that EMA and NCL wee considered rivals, its not as if their catchments overlap. And as I pointed out in my earlier post whilst market share has gone down it is only by a couple of percent and the market is some 3m+ smaller than 2007.

[j636]

DY have released LPL-CPH flights for the winter season, remains 3 weekly.

[cornishsimon]

LPL-NQY on U2 starts today if im not mistaken


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[Mouser]

Liverpool Echo reporting Liverpool has signed a new nine year agreement with Easyjet, and has announced a new destination with flights to Larnaca, starting November twice weekly Tues & Sat.

[3Y1862]

Hi new to forum, been in background for a while. I follow Liverpool through social media website and they say they have something to announce very soon. Any ideas what this could be?

[Cleared For A Coffee]

Presuming you mean the 'very exciting announcement' due next week. Not entirely sure what it is.

The picture they keep putting up relates to the new internal magazine 'Voyage'. However, I'm not sure a new magazine constitutes a 'very exciting announcement'. Also, the Facebook page has said they 'may' be able to announce it next week, which is strange in itself if it is indeed only a magazine.

Any comments left on the Facebook page rumouring that it may be a Norwegian base for next summer keep getting hastily deleted.

On a side note, loads on the Copenhagen route have vastly improved as of late. I believe the outbound leg today was full, not bad considering the football season is yet to start. Good news.