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Old 10th Mar 2013, 10:55
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Go with Ryanair

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Old 10th Mar 2013, 14:00
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Wizzair's Liverpool flight from Vilnius I think has been replaced by the new Alesund route. Liverpool was probably chosen as the one to go because Ryanair also offer the route and Wizz Air also serve Doncaster.

Now with Ryanair on the Warsaw route also, perhaps Liverpool maybe top choice again if something needs to be axed to make way for new routes from Warsaw?? It doesn't look good for Liverpool.

Back on the subject of passenger numbers... I know this is only 1 route, 2 departures a week, but is certainly looking like another reduction in passenger numbers this year to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong but:

Norwegian will bring 2 new flights a week, increasing to 3 in the autumn

Ryanair have said they will bring 180,000 extra passengers this year (2.1 million in total)

however...

Wizz Air are only 7 flights a week now, down from a peak of 10 last year

KLM were still at Liverpool until March 2012 so they will still impact this years annual figures.

FlyBe I think also have a few less if I remember correctly. Only Mon, Thur and Fri have 4 flights to/from IOM, I'm sure it was 4 every weekday last year with 3 only on Sat & Sun (could be mistaken)

EasyJet are making the biggest reductions. Following major expansion at Manchester, EasyJet will base only 7 aircraft this summer, down from 9 last year.

I would think the loss of 2 based EasyJet aircraft is going to have more than a 180,000 passenger reduction and will wipe out the growth FR will bring. Can anyone shed any light??

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Old 10th Mar 2013, 16:44
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Not as bad a picture as you are painting wait and see
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Old 10th Mar 2013, 17:03
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Bit late for summer now

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Old 11th Mar 2013, 14:32
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When does the new guy take over at Liverpool Airport, is he in place already?

What do people think about the outgoing CEO; Richmond, is it? He seems to have been incredibly low-key in his time there. I don't recall reading about any meaningful initiative undertaken at Liverpool on his watch, other than paying money to hand back Durham & Doncaster to Peel.

Giving Richmond the job seems like the most ill-advised managerial appointment on Merseyside since Roy Hodgson or even Mike Walker.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 17:21
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When does the new guy take over at Liverpool Airport, is he in place already
started March 1st

Change in leadership at Liverpool John Lennon Airport
New routes, new agreements, new airline and new CEO ahead in 2013
Vantage Airports UK, the company that owns Liverpool John Lennon Airport (JLA), today announced a change in leadership at JLA.
Outgoing CEO, Craig Richmond, will leave the post on 1st March 2013 to take up a senior position within the Vantage Airport Group network in Cyprus. Incoming CEO Matthew Thomas is currently Commercial Director for the Vantage Airport Group, having held a number of senior airport positions both in the UK and internationally.
"This is an exciting time for Liverpool John Lennon Airport," said Richmond. "There were a number of announcements made towards the end of last year, including new routes from Ryanair and easyJet and the signing of a long term deal with Wizz Air. We also came to an agreement with Norwegian - Europe's third largest low cost airline that will see them commence flights from Liverpool for the first time, with a service to Copenhagen in the spring."
Vantage Airports UK is the new name for the partnership between Vantage Airport Group and The Peel Group which jointly own Liverpool John Lennon Airport. The new branding aligns the Company more closely with majority shareholder Vantage Airport Group, an industry-leading investor, developer and manager of airports around the world.
The rebranding is also linked to the formation of a new subsidiary company, Vantage Air Traffic Services (Vantage ATS) which provides Air Traffic Services for Liverpool, Doncaster Sheffield and Durham Tees Valley Airports.
The distinctive branding for Liverpool John Lennon Airport remains unchanged.

Date: 7th January 2013

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Old 11th Mar 2013, 17:28
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Norwegian is three-weekly from the start - it drops to two per week in July until mid-August; EZY may indeed have taken two A.319s away for the summer, but they are operating 30% more flights by A.320 in S13 compared to S12 so the weekly loss of seats is around 9,000 (seats, not pax).

Ryanair has committed to an extra 180,000 pax this summer and it may well be that further capacity is added (or at least less capacity dropped) for the winter.

The loss of Vilnius by Wizzair is a bit of a blow though the route itself is still operated by Ryanair. There is every chance that WZZ could either up capacity on their remaining routes or add new destinations to maintain their passenger throughput.

Flybe may have reduced their programme ex-LPL slightly compared to S12 but that does not necessarily mean they will lose many pax. They are taking out excess capacity on the quieter days.

All-in-all I suspect that once the summer starts passenger numbers will stabilise for the rest of the year, possibly showing a slight increase for the final quarter depending on what the airport management team may (or may not) have up its corporate sleeve.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 19:07
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EZY may indeed have taken two A.319s away for the summer, but they are operating 30% more flights by A.320 in S13 compared to S12 so the weekly loss of seats is around 9,000 (seats, not pax).
And 9,000 seats less each week for 30 weeks (aprox. length of summer season, start of April to end of October) comes to 270,000 less seats for just the summer season.

I think LPL will be extremely lucky to escape a reduction in EZY's winter 2013/14 timetable compared to the winter 2012/13 timetable so potentially that's even more seats lost.

With EZY's impressive Load Factors, I think the loss of 300,000+ seats in one year is going to lead to a reduction of more than 180,000 annual passengers. So unless EZY flights from LPL are only just over half full, the passenger number reduction is going to be greater than 180,000, and I often wonder if Ryanair inflate their estimates a little!
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 16:29
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So the new guy started a couple of weeks ago? There are almost no news items on Google about the airport. Wouldn't there normally be a fanfare to herald a major new appointment?

They seem very publicity shy at Liverpool these days. I remember not long ago Liverpool Airport was never out of the papers. Strange.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 16:49
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If Liverpool Airport do not stem the loss in passenger numbers, they may well fall behind Newcastle and East Midlands by the end of the year in the Rolling Year numbers.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 17:22
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They will certainly be below EMA this year and I would therefore imagine NCL as well.

Around 70 departures a day at EMA compared to about 50 in LPL for nearly all of the summer is probably the biggest gap I've seen between these two airports. They both have similar sized aircraft and load factors so EMA will have far more passenger during the summer.

EMA however does have quieter winter seasons than LPL since it's more leisure based, but certainly won't be so bad that annual passenger numbers will remian below LPL.

I think EMA and NCL will be 10th and 11th largest in the UK in 2013 (still not sure which way round as it looks neck and neck to me, my bet would be NCL 10th, EMA 11th) with LPL 12th and then probably BFS in 13th.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 17:39
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If Liverpool Airport do not stem the loss in passenger numbers, they may well fall behind Newcastle and East Midlands by the end of the year in the Rolling Year numbers.


Its not the lack of passengers its the lack of routes,give LJLA the routes and we will fill the planes. It will all change shortly
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 17:40
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The amount of routes that could be profitable but haven't been tried from Liverpool is huge!

...???
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 18:18
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If Liverpool Airport do not stem the loss in passenger numbers, they may well fall behind Newcastle and East Midlands by the end of the year in the Rolling Year numbers.
I'm sure that the Airport Management Team are not particularly bothered about the position in the league table. What I hope they are bothered about is running the airport efficiently and profitably to serve their catchment. If EMA, NCL or whoever overtake them, that should be irrelevant.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 19:13
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If EMA, NCL or whoever overtake them, that should be irrelevant.
Of course it's relevant. LPL will not want to lose out to its rivals or lose market share. BRS is in comfortable ninth place so LPL, NCL and EMA will all be fighting to make it in the top ten.

Not as bad a picture as you are painting wait and see
New routes, new agreements, new airline and new CEO ahead in 2013
Which ever way you look at it, Liverpool's passenger numbers are going to be dissapointing this year, certainly a small decrease on 2012 unless the airport suddenly get a huge boost for the last 2 months of the year when the winter timetable starts, which I very much doubt will be the case. It's far too late for any significant expansion this year now. If they get something like a Jet2 base in 2014, that's a different story.

The main problem is that LPL is too reliant on EasyJet and Ryanair they are now just as big in Manchester as they are in Liverpool, if not bigger (FR is certainly bigger in MAN now). Go back 5 or 6 years and FR had about 2 routes from Manchester and there was no EZY at all!

Btw: Those living near LPL are going to have a really nice quiet Sunday morning lie in this summer! Below is the timetable for Sunday mornings through the summer holidays:

ARRIVALS
EZY7146 00:55 Palma de Mallorca
EZY7198 01:35 Faro
EZY7268 01:45 Rhodes
EZY7260 02:10 Bodrum
EZY7164 02:20 Ibiza
FR442 08:45 Dublin
FR1442 08:55 Dublin
FR1134 11:40 Shannon

DEPARTURES
EZY7179 06:00 Malaga
FR4038 06:00 Kos
EZY7141 06:10 Palma de Mallorca
FR9886 06:20 Alicante
FR443 06:30 Dublin
FR4252 06:35 Lodz
FR9622 06:35 Vilnius
FR1443 06:45 Dublin
EZY7133 07:00 Minorca
EZY7157 07:00 Lanzarote
EZY7193 07:05 Faro
EZY7083 07:10 Lisbon
EZY7253 07:50 Krakow
FR1135 09:10 Shannon
FR9824 09:20 Barcelona-Reus

The next departure after the 09:20 flight to Reus is a 12:30 departure to Limoges, more than 3 hours later!!! In fact, providing there are no stand-by or additional aircraft, there won't be a single passenger aircraft on the ground what so ever between 09:20 and 11:40 on Sunday mornings Dangerously quiet if you ask me!

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Old 12th Mar 2013, 19:31
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Think of all the empty slots there is to fill then , expansion will come you will just have to wait a little while longer
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 20:04
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Grrr

Its not the lack of passengers its the lack of routes,give LJLA the routes and we will fill the planes. It will all change shortly

....like Southampton, Eastern's network, FlyBe's withdrawn routes, KLM to Amsterdam, Heathrow, Luton, Easy cutting back, transatlantic tried and failed etc.

It's groundhog day on the LPL thread again.

There's always chatter on the Liverpool threads about jam tomorrow, but it rarely turns up. Monarch still entrenched at MAN, Jet2 don't return calls, Air France mais non ! Just because Liverpool appeared briefly on the KLM website as the software was being updated, the usual suspects on other sites are getting into a frenzy over KLM returning to the 'Pool. Oh dear.

Just what are these elusive routes on which you'll fill the planes ?

Give us a clue, otherwise this thread becomes banal.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 21:04
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I would love too but if i did the money grabbers at another strip would try and pinch them
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 21:23
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I would love too but if i did the money grabbers at another strip would try and pinch them
Im sure MAN are already aware if anything was in the offing. Airlines very very rarely talk to just 1 airport when they look at setting up services.

Cant see any harm in mentioning names, if people outside of the airport already know, its not exactly a well kept secret.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 21:32
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My dear friend i did not mention or mean Manchester why are you so Paranoid.
I was meaning another field altogether
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