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Time machine or crystal ball? Which did you use in determining this?
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October pax
Liverpool are reporting a 9% increase in passengers for October. As that only includes one week of the new Aer Lingus route, November should see double digit growth.
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Money no object then, Frank? Is it 'common sense' to pay two hundred pounds for a pint of milk in your house?
The cost of a tunnel for the M25 (if that's what you mean) is peanuts compared to the amounts the government p**ses up against the wall. HS2 anyone? Contributions to the EU? The millions wasted on mostly useless overpaid bureaucrats and "management consultants"? Could go on, but won't bore other readers any further.
Time machine or crystal ball? Which did you use in determining this?
Of course with a third rwy, more carriers can operate to/from LHR because of lower costs and less congestion, and LPL can get a link to LHR. There, now we're back on topic!
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Lower Costs?
I think you are on a sticky wicket there Frank
LHR is one if the costliest airports in the World
If RW3 goes ahead it will be loaded with an incredible volume of debt some of which will be passed on. If it was going to inherit lower costs BA would be rejoicing. They are not.
No guarantee that Liv would get a service anyway.
A dash 8 to AMS is possibly dooable but we will see.
I think you are on a sticky wicket there Frank
LHR is one if the costliest airports in the World
If RW3 goes ahead it will be loaded with an incredible volume of debt some of which will be passed on. If it was going to inherit lower costs BA would be rejoicing. They are not.
No guarantee that Liv would get a service anyway.
A dash 8 to AMS is possibly dooable but we will see.
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Not sure why you should comment "a Dash 8 to AMS is possibly doable". LPL/AMS was one of the first routes introduced by Easyjet when they began their route expansion from LTN, and ha has flourished ever since. OK, its a LC carrier but shows the demand exists. Will be interesting to see how Flybe compete with them on this route. Increasingly, there is competition between two carriers on routes out of LPL with EI now competing with Ryanair to Dublin.
Not sure why you should comment "a Dash 8 to AMS is possibly doable". LPL/AMS was one of the first routes introduced by Easyjet when they began their route expansion from LTN, and ha has flourished ever since. OK, its a LC carrier but shows the demand exists. Will be interesting to see how Flybe compete with them on this route. Increasingly, there is competition between two carriers on routes out of LPL with EI now competing with Ryanair to Dublin.
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Lower Costs?
I think you are on a sticky wicket there Frank
LHR is one if the costliest airports in the World
If RW3 goes ahead it will be loaded with an incredible volume of debt some of which will be passed on. If it was going to inherit lower costs BA would be rejoicing. They are not.
No guarantee that Liv would get a service anyway.
A dash 8 to AMS is possibly dooable but we will see.
I think you are on a sticky wicket there Frank
LHR is one if the costliest airports in the World
If RW3 goes ahead it will be loaded with an incredible volume of debt some of which will be passed on. If it was going to inherit lower costs BA would be rejoicing. They are not.
No guarantee that Liv would get a service anyway.
A dash 8 to AMS is possibly dooable but we will see.
So who can say, with a third LHR rwy, there may well be a LHR-LPL route, don't dismiss the possibility just yet. No guarantees obviously, but who knows just how sticky the wicket really is.
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If that's not a distinctly dodgy post title, then I'll voluntarily give up my enhanced DBS.
I live near LPL and regularly spot at MAN, lets face it there isn't much variety at LPL...
Some interesting 'food for thought', the whole LPL V MAN. Much like Fury V Klitschko!
For what its worth:
Both MAN and LPL serve two very distinct markets, the legend goes that LPL does the bucket and spade routes albeit cheaply via FR and U2 (The airline not the band...) and MAN do-eth the long haul, which again is something that it does well. Let's face it, they don't have much in the way of competition up North do they, BHX has the daily AA JFK rotation and unles you do a one hop down to LHR or over to DUB then you can infer that MAN has it covered.
Personally I would love to see my home airport knock out some Transatlantic flying, but I have to put my wishlist away, get out my sheet music and play 'The Real Waltz'. Peel have always said one of their long term aspirations is to have an established transatlantic route, brings us to the question 'Where to?' Most if not all would say JFK, but that puts you in direct competition with MAN and BHX...plus to some extent DUB via EI. Remember Globespan, they tried to make it work with one 757, when that went tech they subbed a 737-800 that stopped at either Keflavik or Bangor to redeem some clubcard points. And then GSM went bust. Though from what I hear the YHM route didn't do too badly so there's some movement in LPL looking at Canada. Aside from AC Rouge's summer seasonal to YYZ and the year round TS to Toronto plus seasonal YYC/YVR, there's some scope there for Canadian expansion.
To me though Liverpool has always been the following
I live near LPL and regularly spot at MAN, lets face it there isn't much variety at LPL...
Some interesting 'food for thought', the whole LPL V MAN. Much like Fury V Klitschko!
For what its worth:
Both MAN and LPL serve two very distinct markets, the legend goes that LPL does the bucket and spade routes albeit cheaply via FR and U2 (The airline not the band...) and MAN do-eth the long haul, which again is something that it does well. Let's face it, they don't have much in the way of competition up North do they, BHX has the daily AA JFK rotation and unles you do a one hop down to LHR or over to DUB then you can infer that MAN has it covered.
Personally I would love to see my home airport knock out some Transatlantic flying, but I have to put my wishlist away, get out my sheet music and play 'The Real Waltz'. Peel have always said one of their long term aspirations is to have an established transatlantic route, brings us to the question 'Where to?' Most if not all would say JFK, but that puts you in direct competition with MAN and BHX...plus to some extent DUB via EI. Remember Globespan, they tried to make it work with one 757, when that went tech they subbed a 737-800 that stopped at either Keflavik or Bangor to redeem some clubcard points. And then GSM went bust. Though from what I hear the YHM route didn't do too badly so there's some movement in LPL looking at Canada. Aside from AC Rouge's summer seasonal to YYZ and the year round TS to Toronto plus seasonal YYC/YVR, there's some scope there for Canadian expansion.
To me though Liverpool has always been the following
- Second to Manchester in terms of long haul - Never been a market for it, Liverpool is good for connections (EI - DUB / KL now BE - AMS)
- A low cost hub - The routes MAN never wanted before it saw sense and FR/U2 moved in.
- Student friendly - BFS/DUB/BHD are primarily huge student markets with LPL being a good spot to learn.
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November passenger numbers
Liverpool has enjoyed a fantastic November, as reported passenger numbers are up 19% year on year. A return to an annual figure of 5m is now expected next year.
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Also pretty good schedules (in comparison with, for example, the Aurigny new scheduled-charter operation into Norwich which is really a bit early - 07:30 ex-Guernsey...a bit too early for a leisure operation):
LPL 13:00 - 14:30 GCI
GCI 11:00 - 12:30 LPL
LPL 13:00 - 14:30 GCI
GCI 11:00 - 12:30 LPL